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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #285 on: July 23, 2017, 03:09:16 AM »
Hickman Sea Sled with Caproni bomber, WWI US experiment. 55mph top speed.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #286 on: July 23, 2017, 04:31:38 AM »
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #287 on: February 04, 2018, 11:07:08 PM »
Studying config of carriers during WWII I noticed that only japanese  tried funnel out of island. in my opinion funnel in the opposite side to island looks sensible for the sake of balance. In the same way, exhausting sideways or downwards sounds sensible too.

Why these  aiternative dispositions were not continued?

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #288 on: April 05, 2018, 06:03:59 AM »
Something different:

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #289 on: April 05, 2018, 06:37:00 AM »
Already forwarded to Elon Musk. If he can land a booster on an itsy-bitsy barge why not the reverse?
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #290 on: April 05, 2018, 10:56:45 AM »
I can see Culture Agent Musk funding this:


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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #291 on: April 06, 2018, 01:01:05 AM »
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #292 on: May 26, 2018, 09:44:14 PM »
Just a mash of two ideas.
1. The many USN concepts from the 70s and 80s for sea control ships, helicopter conversions of the Spruance hull, hybrid V/STOL carrier version of the Strike Cruiser etc.
2. The occasional US willingness to consider, or even adopt foriegn designs when their own efforts don't work out, i.e. Harrier, Goshawk, both LCS designs, most of the frigate designs being looked at currently etc.


The result of this thinking:

Having cancelled the SCS and with the air capable Spruances leading nowhere,(while the Navy was losing the last of their CVS's, just as the Soviet submarine threat, along with the Bear long range air and sea launched antiship missile threat was increasing) the USN deside to look at foriegn designs to form the basis of a aviation cruiser.  THe selected design is the Italian Giuseppe Garibaldi, suitably modified with either NTU derived or AEGIS combat system and SM-2.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #293 on: May 27, 2018, 03:11:48 AM »
It would be interesting to see why they would consider/choose something such as the Giuseppe Garibaldi over their own designs such as the SCS which essentially became represented in real life by the Spanish Príncipe de Asturias or even a modification of a LHA/LHD such as the Tarawa class.
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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #294 on: May 27, 2018, 07:18:58 PM »
It would be interesting to see why they would consider/choose something such as the Giuseppe Garibaldi over their own designs such as the SCS which essentially became represented in real life by the Spanish Príncipe de Asturias or even a modification of a LHA/LHD such as the Tarawa class.

The SCS was very austere and quite slow, hence the USN interest in Spruance based designs that however proved to be very compromised on the aviation side of things.  The LHA was also slow as well as very expensive, incorporating may features that added nothing to its aviation capabilities.  Basically the US could have designed the perfect ship for themselves but assuming the requirement was realised during the late 70s, early 80s for the expanded 600 ship navy at the height of the cold war, the entire detail design capacity of the eastern sea board was working on the Arleigh Burke Class AEGIS destroyer.

No suitable existing designs and no spare design capacity, plus an urgent requirement, means an existing design, at that point either Invincible or Garibaldi.  Systems commonality makes the Italian ship more attractive.

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Re: Aircraft Carrier Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #295 on: May 28, 2018, 11:53:56 PM »
The result of this thinking:

Having cancelled the SCS and with the air capable Spruances leading nowhere,(while the Navy was losing the last of their CVS's, just as the Soviet submarine threat, along with the Bear long range air and sea launched antiship missile threat was increasing) the USN deside to look at foriegn designs to form the basis of a aviation cruiser.  THe selected design is the Italian Giuseppe Garibaldi, suitably modified with either NTU derived or AEGIS combat system and SM-2.
To figure out if this makes sense, we really need to expand on the mission/role of these ships. If the mission is convoy escort (the SCS mission) then, yeah, you can probably get away with something as small as the Garibaldi, armed with a dozen helos and 6-ish F-35s for convoy air cover. You're still relying upon frigates and destroyers to provide proper air defense.

If you want the ship to also anchor the air defense, allowing the ship escorts to be smaller, specialised, ASW frigates and corvettes, then the Garibaldi isn't big enough and you need something that can carry both the air element _and_ a substantial VLS farm of at least 100 cells. You're probably looking at about 20-25K tons as the smallest platform that can manage both roles. Missile armaments in the 70s, when the SCSs were conceived, were a lot shorter than they are today, bot the attackers and the defenders. As a dedicated escort, a modern CSC would need to tie up at least a Burke class destroyer or two destroyers armed with fewer missiles in order to provide the air defense needed for a valuable convoy. A complement of 6-ish F-35s isn't going to be able to provide a terribly in-depth AAD for a convoy, It'll need an AAD destroyer or two or need to carry the AAMs itself.

If it is not being used to carry the AAMs, then it probably doesn't need the advanced combat system as the air warfare destroyer will have the combat system along with its AAMs.

Decisions, decisions.  :D

Paul