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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #725 on: January 19, 2013, 07:29:44 PM »
Great idea with the Atlas!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #726 on: January 20, 2013, 01:22:33 AM »
You have sure been putting out a lot of great stuff lately, I too am amazed at what a difference getting rid of all that glass up front made. 
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #727 on: January 22, 2013, 01:32:58 PM »
Thanks folks!

A part of the Airbus Rus agreement was that Airbus Industrie would assist its Russian partners in developing a replacement for the RuAF An-12 tactical transport fleet. The AR800
series emerged as a scaled-down AR760 using many of the components of the AR765 Atlas.

It had been planned that the RuAF service variant would be the base AR800 but the intended Aviadvigatel PD-14 powerplants had fallen seriously behind schedule. Instead, the AR80x prototype was fitted with larger (but similar output) Aviadvigatel PD-90A turbofans, resulting in the AR801.

The civilian AR810 was similar to the AR801 but fitted with Western equipment and CFM56 engines. Athough not expecting a large market for a civilian version, Airbus Rus found no
takers for the AR810 at all. That was, in part, because this model had been eclipsed.

Amongst the AR800 series' inherited AR760 partswas the undercarriage (albeit now reduced to twin main gears each with four tires). That rather complex landing gear arrangement did not appeal to potential Western users of a tactical transport. A re-design was required to break into the emerging Hercules/Transall replacement market.

The AR80x prototype was stripped of its main gear and rebuilt with a multi-legged gear supplied by the Safran Group. This undercarriage was identical to the Transall C160NG units by Messier-Dowty (but with three pairs rather than two). The result was the A820 Altai.

The first customer for this new CFM56-powered variant was France. In the Armée de l'air, the AR820F Armagnac serves with only two escadrons de transport, these being ET 2/61 Franche-Comté (at BA 123 Orléans-Bricy) and 2/64 Anjou (at BA 105 Évreux-Fauville).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #728 on: January 22, 2013, 02:15:41 PM »
Very nice.

That seriously looks like some relative of the Kawasaki C-1 transport.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #729 on: January 26, 2013, 05:10:03 AM »
Thanks 'north. That's what I was going for ... taking some Ilyushin bits and hopefully ending up half way between the Kawasaki and Embraer's KC-390.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #730 on: January 28, 2013, 07:58:14 PM »
Is it possible to have some for the French Air Force ?  ;D
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #731 on: January 29, 2013, 11:33:43 AM »
Mais oui, certainement! But we wouldn't want to force Airbus Military into any unseemly haste with the A400M, would we?  ;D
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #732 on: February 03, 2013, 11:24:17 AM »
Thanks lads. These unbuilt projects are sort of like whifs ... or that's what I tell myself  ;)

Shipboard Dewoitine D.520 Derivatives for the Aéronautique Navale

The Dewoitine D.780 (another real project) was intended to provide a modern naval fighter for PA-16 carriers, the Joffre and Painlevé. In reality, the Aéronautique Navale received only standard D.520s. But this is whifland ... so, here is  the prototype Dewoitine D.780. After its sea trials aboard the Béarn, the D.780 was transferred to Esq AC3 at BAN Cuers-Pierrefeu in SE France.

Later, AC3's D.520s and the D.780 were joined by the first 2-seater, the prototype D.782 (a whif). Intended as a light attack fighter for the Joffre, the D.782 lacked the manoeuvrability of the single-seaters. To acheive a better balance, the ventral radiator bath was to be moved to the nose. The prototype was returned to Toulouse but the
conversion work had just began when France fell to the Wehrmacht.

Wow what a fantastic and detailed profiling work Apophenia!
I am completely and utterly impressed by your detail in the wing-folding effort!!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #733 on: February 04, 2013, 08:07:35 AM »
Cheers! That wing-fold mechanism was actually stolen off an obliging Avenger. Truth be told, I'm not quite sure how you'd arrange the folding of a single-spar wing like the Dewoitine  :o
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #734 on: February 04, 2013, 09:36:55 AM »
Cheers! That wing-fold mechanism was actually stolen off an obliging Avenger. Truth be told, I'm not quite sure how you'd arrange the folding of a single-spar wing like the Dewoitine  :o
Something like that of the Avenger would be the most probable, with some interesting fittings and structure at the folding joint.  I suspect, though, that there'll be some interesting locking mechanisms there to prevent problems.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #735 on: March 28, 2013, 10:24:52 AM »
Hello folks, it's been quite a while ...

I'm going to ease back in with another Airbus Rus offering. This time, the AR769 Atlas Airfreighter bought by Air Canada Cargo to replace DC-8-73(F)s. The Atlas Airfreighter introduced a swing-nose allowing cargo carriers to unload pallets and containers rapidly at airports. Most carriers opted for the twin CF6 AR770 Atlas Airfreighter but Air Canada chose to retain the four engines of the Atlas M.

Other than minor electronics changes, deletion of some military equipment, and the use of CFM56-5A5 turbofans (as per ordered A319s), the Air Canada AR269 Atlas Airfreighter was almost identical to the Canadian Forces' CC-176A Alquonquin (AR768) strategic airlifter.  This simplified R&O which Air Canada was contracted to perform for the CF.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #736 on: March 28, 2013, 11:21:49 AM »
Pleasant and useful while...

The Atlas Airfreighter introduced a swing-nose allowing cargo carriers to unload pallets and containers rapidly at airports.
this swing nose avoids the need for a twin-boom layout alas... ;)

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #737 on: March 28, 2013, 12:31:41 PM »
That looks awesome!! First thing I've seen to look good in the overall white+green tail+leaf AC scheme!
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #738 on: March 28, 2013, 09:43:45 PM »
Good to see you back in the profiling game!

Nice machine to make a comeback with too.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #739 on: March 28, 2013, 09:52:24 PM »
Outstanding.......

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #740 on: March 30, 2013, 12:05:24 PM »
Thanks folks! Now, spinning off from Greg's 'The Death or Glory Boys' storyline:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2852.msg42147#msg42147

The urgency with with the Me 163K was produced allowed Klemm little opportunity to refine the  design. An ongoing concern was diminishing rudder control while on approach to hook the ship's 'Fangleine' cable. To address this problem, Me 163K V47 was fitted with a twin V tail  to increase rudder effectiveness.

Trials with V47 were successful but neither the Luftwaffe nor the Kriegsmarine was willing to see Katapultjäger production  interrupted to introduce the new tail on the assembly line. Instead, Klemm began studying variations on the then-current Katapultjäger approach.

Two projects dovetailed. The first was tentative exploration of the use of near-vertical take-off ramps for the Me 163K. This more compact arrangement would mean that a greater
variety of merchant ships could be adapted as Katapultschiff für Raketenjäger.

The exploration of near-vertical take-off ramps led directly to an October 1944 proposal for a semi-disposable rocket fighter to rival Erich Bachem's BP-20 concept. Unlike 'Projekt
Natter
', the Klemm raketenjäger was to be based at sea in the flightpath of Allied bombers.  Launched from anchored barges (or flak ships), the so-called 'hlojäger' would attack the Terror Flieger with podded R4M rocket projectiles.

Acknowledging the difficulties encountered with hooked landings by relatively experienced  Katapultjäger pilots, Klemm abandoned hooks for the 'hlojäger'. Instead, the semi-trained pilot would jettison the main body of the fighter (for recovery by parachute) before exiting his prone-position armoured cockpit capsule to hit the silk. The Technisches Amt der Luftwaffe saw the benefits of basing rocket interceptors at sea but Klemm's Me 163-based 'hlojäger' was judged too expensive in both time and materials to be considered semi-disposable.

Undeterred, Klemm design staff turned their attention back to improving their Katapultjäger. For this new approach, the hlojäger's prone pilot position was retained but a smoothly aerodynamic perspex nose cap replaced the earlier concept's faceted panzerglas. The goal was  to reduce the Katapultjäger's frontal area, reduce the strain on pilots during violent launch and recovery, while providing pilots with a clear view of the Fangleine while attempting to 'hook on'. This Katapultjäger development the Technisches Amt approved of.

Klemm received instructions to transition production from the Me 163K-2 to their revised design which was to be designated the Kl 151B (in an attempt to convice Allied intelligence
that Klemm was reviving an earlier light touring aircraft concept). With  Me 163K V47 being considered an aerodynamic prototype, the first true Neue Katapultjäger was a pre-production Kl 151B-0. Unfortunately for the Katapultflieger, only a handful of Kl 151B-0s were delivered  before the Klemm factory was destroyed by Allied bombing. Full production Kl 151B-1s featured additional armament options and lengthed ventral fins but all were destroyed on the line.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #741 on: March 30, 2013, 12:19:26 PM »
Really liking these Komets on cats man!!!  Seeing as how the underside is already sort of boat hull shaped, how about a sculpting it completely and having them simply make water landings and then get craned aboard ship?  I know unpowered water landings aren't the safest but they sound like they might be a better option then the hook.  Just my $0.02  Looking forward to more Komets  8)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #742 on: March 30, 2013, 12:28:59 PM »
Thanks Cliffy. I was wondering about water landings too but Greg reckoned that the impact of touch-down would likely detonate any remaining rocket fuel. I wonder what, if any, effect sea water would have on remaining T-stoff (or C-stoff)?
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #743 on: March 30, 2013, 12:31:04 PM »
Really liking these Komets on cats man!!!  Seeing as how the underside is already sort of boat hull shaped, how about a sculpting it completely and having them simply make water landings and then get craned aboard ship?  I know unpowered water landings aren't the safest but they sound like they might be a better option then the hook.  Just my $0.02  Looking forward to more Komets  8)

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #744 on: March 30, 2013, 02:32:59 PM »
 :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #745 on: April 01, 2013, 06:33:27 AM »
Great work....

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #746 on: April 08, 2013, 12:24:15 PM »
In August 1940, a purchasing commission from Finland made its way to Paris to try to acquire aircraft for the Ilmavoimat. This group was unsuccessful in convincing the Germans to deliver the Potez 633s and Koolhoven FK.58s promised to Finland by the French government. However, they were able to gather airframe spares for Ilmavoimat MS.406 fighters from storage at a Centre de réception des avions de série. This CRAS also held a surprise for the Finns.

Also in storage were 40 nearly complete Arsenal VG.33 fighters. The Luftwaffe had no interest in these wooden fighters and the Germans were happy to be rid of the airframes. Disassembled and packed onto Swedish freighters (at German insistance), the Arsenal fighters were shipped to Turku. By Oct 1940, these airframes (as well as some VG.33 airframes components collected from the CAMS plant at Sartrouville) had arrived at the VL plant at Tampere.

VL reassembled the four most complete Arsenal fighters with the available Hispano-Suiza 12Y-31 engines. These aircraft were designated D.33h by VL and dubbed Tuulihaukka (Kestrel). Under the Ilmavoimat coding system, these machines were the ALh. All D.33h had French armament consisting of four 7.5 mm wing guns and a 20mm HS.404 moteur-canon.

No further French engines could be gleaned but VL had secured stocks of Czech-made Avia 12Ydr motors. A further 16 fighters were finished as Avia-engined D.33a Tuulihaukka. These aircraft had 7.7 mm Browning wing guns and a single 12.7mm Browning firing through the hollow propeller shaft. All D.33h Tuulihaukka were eventually modified to D.33a standard (to free up French engines and armament for MS.406 spares).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #747 on: April 08, 2013, 12:29:23 PM »
Those are rather tasty.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #748 on: April 08, 2013, 12:39:09 PM »
Cheer 'north  :D  Here's another pair ...

The Ilmavoimat were thrilled with the performance of its Tuulihaukka. The D.33 was faster than the MS.406 and manoeuvrable to boot. The D.33a model was rather weak on armament however. And all Arsenal fighters had limited ground clearance for their propellers (dating back to their light fighter origins). There was also the problem of sourcing suitable engines for continued Tuulihaukka 'production' at VL.

(Top: D.33a AL-19 carried a rare example of pin-up art on an Ilmavoimat aircraft. Pariisilainen (La Parisienne) was a common nickname for the little fighter from Sartrouville.)

In 1942, a solution for the engine shortage came from German 'war booty' stocks. A supply of Soviet Klimov M-105Ps were purchased from Germany, leading to to the D.33v (for 'venäläinen' or 'Russian'). This model substituted a Soviet 12.7mm Berezin UB machinegun for the engine-mounted Browning.

(Bottom: D.33v AL-14, a re-engined D.33a, is covered in temporary winter white paint. The ground crew have partly restored its fuselage code number and personal markings -- 'Kiroileva Kissa' (the 'Cursing Cat') -- a reference to its tempermental Soviet engine.)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #749 on: April 08, 2013, 12:48:48 PM »
Beautiful d.33 variants, all of them, and all of them very plausible.