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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #625 on: November 30, 2012, 05:16:10 AM »
The Ju-169 is pretty sweet!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #626 on: November 30, 2012, 02:09:50 PM »
Those are some fantastic Stuka  developments!

Reminds me that I have to get back to my Stuka alternate history story.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #627 on: November 30, 2012, 03:18:23 PM »
Loving the zwei motoren stuka! (sorry for hte horrible German).  But great profiles and backstory!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #628 on: December 01, 2012, 06:46:38 AM »
Thanks folks! Greg: Yep, the Berlin B 9 was definitely an influence  ;)

A Hungarian Ju-169 with Jendrassik turboprop engines could be interesting

Dang! I wish I'd thought of that  :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #629 on: December 02, 2012, 10:12:26 AM »
Well I hope you are happy!  I have just ordered a 1/48 Berlin B9 which will be up engined with a pair of Argus As 410 air-cooled V12s.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #630 on: December 02, 2012, 02:06:17 PM »
Very happy  >:D  Now let's see what kind of armament you can hang off the little B 9  ;)

Going back a bit, arc' mentioned the Jendrassik turboprop. So, instead of a Manfred Weiss design here is a rival concept from László Varga. The first RMI-11 X/H design was basically a shortened version of the RMI-1 fighter with an armoured prone cockpit neatly wrapped in a streamlined perspex nosecone. The second submission was a more radical redesign of the RMI-1 with the turboprops repositioned above the wings.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #631 on: December 02, 2012, 02:28:10 PM »
Great work, kind of has an Arado Blitz look to it

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #632 on: December 02, 2012, 02:32:30 PM »
RMI-1 and RMI-11  :-* :-*
Approximations in styrene are in order.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #633 on: December 02, 2012, 03:21:38 PM »
By the way, Apophenia, did you ever see my own take on the EF 044 concept you did?  Mine was mid-war and I called it the Ju 287, but I liked the way it turned out.

This was just done with colored pencils many moons ago, but I still rather like it.



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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #634 on: December 04, 2012, 06:31:08 AM »
Thanks folks!

finsrin: There actually was a kit of Varga's RMI-1X/H. The International Resin Modellers Assocation released a 1/72 resin kit ... although I notice that an IRMA kit just sold on ebay for US$82.00  :o

Logan: That is very cool ... but makes me wistful for the days of Staedtler pencil crayons and Pantone markers  :D  Am I right in thinking that your Ju 287 is a scale-o-rama of Ju 88 wing and Ju 288 tail surfaces?
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #635 on: December 04, 2012, 06:49:08 AM »

Indeed, along with Ju 88 family BMW 801s.

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Logan

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #636 on: December 06, 2012, 12:49:39 PM »
Post-Armistice adaptations of the Dewoitine D.520.

Top is a Luftwaffe trainer on loan to l'aviation de LVF in Belarus, July 1942. This unit was formed to support the Légion des Volontaires Français fighting alongside the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. This 1er Groupe fighter retains a spirale-schnauze but ALVF insignia cover other German markings.

Aircraft of l'aviation de LVF were to wear the 'Fleury cross' but the dominant red of this roundel was deemed unwise on the Eastern Front. Instead, a simple balkan cross was applied over the Luftwaffe crosses. The hache à double emblem of Maréchal Pétain was used as a squadron insignia.

Bottom is a D.520F of the Ilmavoimat. The D.520Fs were ex-AdlA fighters rebuilt for Finland to a German contract. Other than substituted German equipment, the D.520Fs also received Soviet M-105 engines and armament. All Finnish D.520Fs were assigned to LeLv 32. The extended rear glazing is a local modification performed by the Valtion lentokonetehdas.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #637 on: December 06, 2012, 01:08:36 PM »
The extended rear glazing is a local modification performed by the Valtion lentokonetehdas.
Wonderful improvement, great!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #638 on: December 06, 2012, 01:27:29 PM »
Post-Armistice adaptations of the Dewoitine D.520.

Top is a Luftwaffe trainer on loan to l'aviation de LVF in Belarus, July 1942. This unit was formed to support the Légion des Volontaires Français fighting alongside the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. This 1er Groupe fighter retains a spirale-schnauze but ALVF insignia cover other German markings.

Aircraft of l'aviation de LVF were to wear the 'Fleury cross' but the dominant red of this roundel was deemed unwise on the Eastern Front. Instead, a simple balkan cross was applied over the Luftwaffe crosses. The hache à double emblem of Maréchal Pétain was used as a squadron insignia.

Bottom is a D.520F of the Ilmavoimat. The D.520Fs were ex-AdlA fighters rebuilt for Finland to a German contract. Other than substituted German equipment, the D.520Fs also received Soviet M-105 engines and armament. All Finnish D.520Fs were assigned to LeLv 32. The extended rear glazing is a local modification performed by the Valtion lentokonetehdas.
Damn, I really like that second one.  I could see it doing quite well in that use, too.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #639 on: December 06, 2012, 01:50:40 PM »
That rear glazing is a tremendous improvement. It's going to be a lot harder to sneak up on it now!
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #640 on: December 06, 2012, 09:09:32 PM »
The Finnish Dewoitine is indeed awesome but I must confess to being intrigued by the concept of the LVF.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #641 on: December 07, 2012, 07:01:26 AM »
Thanks folks!

Evan: That Ilmavoimat D.520F was, of course, inspired by a combination of French Hawk 75As rebuilt for Finland and the local Klimov-powered Mörkö rebuilds.

EH: The LVF was a real formation (eventually becoming 33 SS Charlemagne) but I made up the aviation component.  (Originally, I was thinking of Vichy going over to the Axis after Oran but the schemes looked too Italian.)

Elsewhere, Greg was asking about further developments of the Dewoitine D.520. I've got a few of those in the works ...
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #642 on: December 07, 2012, 10:09:12 AM »
further developments of the Dewoitine D.520. I've got a few of those in the works ...
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #643 on: December 07, 2012, 01:16:12 PM »
Patience is a virtue Tophe  ;D  But I was motivated to do another Ilmavoimat D.520F ...

This aircraft is one of a handful of LeLv 32's 'escort' fighters. These top-cover Poronhoitajat (reindeer herders) fighters had their wing machineguns replaced by heavier-calibre weapons (20mm ShVAK cannons or 12.7mm Berezin UB) in underwing pods.

DW-14 is shown based at Latva airfield in March 1944. While applying distemper winter camouflage, the 'erks' have carefully gone around the pilot's personal markings (the cartoon character Pekka Puupää accompanied by the slogan 'Ei hätää!' or 'Don't worry!'.)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #644 on: December 08, 2012, 03:24:26 AM »
 :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #645 on: December 11, 2012, 05:59:10 AM »
In March 1934, the Service Technique Aéronautique (STAé) issued a requirement for new chasseurs monoplaces to replace both the Dewoitine D.500 and the Loire 46. Dewoitine's belated RW entry was the disasterous D.513 -- which later became the even worse D.514 LP (a spatted monstrocity that only BdB could love!).

But what if Dewoitine had simply built on its previous successes instead? Here I present alternative decendents to the D.500/D.510 series. My D.513 is based on the D.503 fuselage with an all-new wing and retractable undercarriage. The alternative D.514 cleans up that design, introducing a new belly radiator bath and a fully-enclosed cockpit.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #646 on: December 11, 2012, 06:15:28 AM »
They look great but wasn´t there a D.513 OTL?

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #647 on: December 11, 2012, 12:21:38 PM »
Yes there was arc'.  I should have more clear that my first paragraph referred to Real World developments.

My AltHist idea was what if Dewoitine had created a direct-evolution replacement for the AdlA's D.500 series a year earlier. So, by jumping a year ahead in my universe, I get to use those designations first  ;)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #648 on: December 12, 2012, 05:15:59 AM »
I am loving those Dewoitines! I wonder what Loire's entry would look like?  ;)

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #649 on: December 12, 2012, 12:39:52 PM »
Cheers EH. Following the same logic as the D.513/D.514 development, the Loire submission wouldn't have been the RW Loire 250. Instead, it would've been a more straightforward evolution of the in-service Loire 46 C1. So, here is the prototype Loire/Loire-Nieuport LN-146 C1.
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