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Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #600 on: November 19, 2012, 12:13:53 PM »
More ur-Spiteful musings ...
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Offline arc3371

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #601 on: November 19, 2012, 01:20:48 PM »
Looks great reminds me of the Arsenal VG series

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #602 on: November 19, 2012, 01:38:03 PM »
Ah, very nice.  I agree with arc, though.  They do look a bit like the Arsenal VG with that wing shape and cockpit, though the tail is completely different, obviously.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #603 on: November 19, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »
Those are slick, speedy looking critters, aren't they?

I quite like them.
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #604 on: November 21, 2012, 11:23:10 AM »
Thanks guys. I take those Arsenal comparisons as compliments -- the VG series are long-time personal favourites!

The production Spiteful differed from the final prototype configuration in a number of details. Other than armament  (2 x 20mm Hispanos, 4 x 303-in Brownings), the Spiteful Mk.IA had a Griffon IIB plus a revised canopy and rearview glazing (replacing the prototype's 'turtle back' fairing).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #605 on: November 21, 2012, 04:28:06 PM »
 :)
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #606 on: November 22, 2012, 11:54:25 AM »
Fun stuff.
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #607 on: November 23, 2012, 06:50:44 AM »
A factory-fresh Spiteful Mk.IIIA of No.332 Squadron, RAF North Weald, marked with white distemper stripes for Operation Rutter, July 1942. The Spiteful Mk.IIIA was a low-altitude variant with a cropped-impellor Griffon IV. This aircraft was lost off Dieppe a month later.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #608 on: November 23, 2012, 11:08:54 AM »
Supermarine Spiteful F.Mk.VI of 91 (Nigeria) Squadron in invasion stripes during July 1944. The Spiteful F.Mk.VI  introduced a one-piece blown perspex rear deck, individual ejector exhausts, a retractable tailwheel, and heavier armament (4 x 20mm Hispano Mk.II cannons).
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Offline lauhof52

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #609 on: November 23, 2012, 05:17:42 PM »
Love your spitefuls! :-*

Offline arc3371

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #610 on: November 23, 2012, 10:55:34 PM »
Very beatiful aircraft, have you considered using a Sea Fury canopy?

Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #611 on: November 24, 2012, 12:17:54 PM »
Very beatiful aircraft, have you considered using a Sea Fury canopy?

Thanks! I hadn't considered an alternative bubble canopy. I had assumed the next step would be a Real World-like Spiteful canopy. But I wasn't planning on illustrating that -- too close to the real thing. So, with is probably the last entry on this theme:

A Spiteful F.Mk.VII of 92a Squadriglia, 8° Gruppo, 5° Stormo Aeronautica Militare Italiana, based at Orlo al Serio (Bergamo). These ex-RAF fighters began replacing surplus Spitfires in Italian service in late 1948.
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Offline Acree

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #612 on: November 24, 2012, 01:43:22 PM »
Hi, Apophenia!

Love the Spitefuls.  The Mk VI is my favorite.  :-*

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #613 on: November 25, 2012, 01:49:53 AM »
These Spiteful are amazing

Offline arc3371

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #614 on: November 25, 2012, 05:07:26 AM »
Very good looking aircraft

Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #615 on: November 28, 2012, 06:19:28 AM »
Die Stuka mit zwei Brüsten. A twin-engined Ju 87 derivative as Junkers' backup concept for the RLM's 1937 Schlachtflugzeug contest. The usual backstory is availabile if anyone is interested.
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #616 on: November 28, 2012, 06:29:55 AM »
Is it a Ju 87 variant?  Then yes, I'm interested!

Cheers,

Logan

Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #617 on: November 28, 2012, 06:56:29 AM »
Not a Ju 87 variant exactly, but here goes anyway ...  ;D

In April 1937, the Technische Amt of the RLM issued its specification for a new twin-engine ground-attack aircraft (Schlachtflugzeug). Development contracts were issued for the Fw 189C and Hs 129A in Oct 1937. Junkers Flugzeug- und -Motorenwerke AG was not favoured because the RLM wanted the Dessau firm to concentrate of production of the Ju 87 Stuka and development of the Ju 88 schnellbomber.

Junkers design staff believed that both the Focke-Wulf and Henschel submissions lacked promise. As such, Junkers decided to proceed with a private venture to submit to the Technische Amt. In effect, this aircraft was to be a twin-engined Ju 87B development. The fuselage would remain virtually unaltered other than the wing centre section. This was to be extended, incorporate new motor mounts, and have its anhedral almost completely eliminated.

Power would be provided by twin Junkers Jumo 210s. The RLM preferred lower-powered engines and, compared to its new Jumo 211 V12s, Junkers believed that their earlier powerplant qualified. Thus, the proposed Schlachtflugzeug would have twice the power of the Ju 87A-1 while allowing Junkers to extend the production life of the Jumo 210.

Engines and radiators would be armoured from below. Additional armour plating would attached to the inside of the Stuka fuselage and pilot's cockpit was to have an armoured hood with inset 'panzerglas'. The rear gunner would be protected by an armoured glass panel on his flexible gun mount.

The Junkers concept far exceeded the required armament of two Oerlikon MG FF cannons (with the desired addition of twin 7,9 mm machineguns). Attached to the Stuka's former engine bearer points was an interchangable waffenträger. This nose section could be fitted with 10 x 7,9 mm MG17 machineguns, 4 x MG17s and 4 x MG FF cannon, or Junkers' reccommended main guns. These would be twin Bordkanone BK 2,0 to be based on the Luftwaffe's ground-based Mauser anti-aircraft gun. This 2 cm FlaK 30 had a higher muzzle velocity than the requested MG FF while firing a much heavier shell than the Oerlikon.

Offensive bomb load remained the same as the Ju-87 although the Stuka's swinging bomb cradle was no longer needed. Dive brakes were retained but moved outboard on the wings to clear much of the propellers' slipstream.

Although not exactly welcoming of unsolicited offerings, the Technische Amt was intrigued by the possibility of a new twin-engined Schlachtflugzeug making use of the Stuka airframe. However, the EF 044 design was seen as being excessively large yet underarmoured. Junkers was also informed that small, air-cooled engines were the preferred powerplants. Junkers had found an 'in' to the Schlachtflugzeug concept but the designers at Dessau would need to return to their drawing boards ...
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #618 on: November 28, 2012, 12:14:44 PM »
Like to see EF 044 as 1/72 kit.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #619 on: November 28, 2012, 04:05:45 PM »
 :)
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #620 on: November 29, 2012, 11:32:23 AM »
Thanks folks

Like to see EF 044 as 1/72 kit.

Probably bashable but you'd have to be a glutton for punishment  ;D  Anyhoo, here's the next installment ...

Junkers next foray into the design of a twin-engined Schlachtflugzeug more closely followed the preferences of the RLM's Technische Amt. It was powered by two 460 hp Argus As 410 air-cooled V12s. Armament comprised twin 2cm MG FF cannons in the belly and two 7,9mm MG17 machineguns in the wing roots.

Crew was reduced to one but what startled the Technische Amt was Junkers' choice of a prone pilot. The designers' rationale was that armouring a cockpit for a prone pilot was simpler and allowed much of the nose to be glazed with 'panzerglas' from somewhat improved visibility. Not completely convinced, a prototype and a small pre-production batch of what would be designated Ju 169 were ordered for trials.

In service trails, the Ju 169 outperformed the rival Henschel Hs 129A ... but that wasn't saying much. While the Henschel design lent itself to re-engining with more powerful radial engines, such a reworking of the Junkers Schlachtflugzeug would have left the Ju 169 pilot with no view to the sides at all.

In the end, the Luftwaffe elected to dispose of both designs. The Hs 129A-0s were passed on to the Romanian FARR, the Ju 169A-0s went to the Hungarian Magyar Királyi Honvéd Légierö.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #621 on: November 29, 2012, 11:33:48 AM »
Having outlived their usefulness as Luftwaffe trails aircraft, the 10 Ju 169A-0 pre-production machines and the Ju 169v1 prototype were transfered to the Magyar Királyi Honvéd Légierö. Fitted with dive brakes, these aircraft equipped Hungary's 102/1 Zuhanóbombázó század (alongside Ju 87B-1s).

After a little over a year of hard service in the Ukraine, the well-worn Ju 169s were returned to Hungary. Some consideration was given to producing an improved version in Hungary. To that end, the last Ju 169 in Hungarian service was operated by the RKI research flight at Matyasfold until early 1944. Alas, the local plant, Manfred Weiss, was already overworked and the idea was dropped. The planned local production version was to be powered by two 520 hp Walter Sagitta II RC engines and armed with six 12.7mm Gebauer 1940.M machineguns.

The Ju 169 shown has been dubbed 'Páncélozott Pulyka' or 'Armoured Turkey', an indication of the pilots' opinion of the flight qualities of their mounts. This aircraft was shot down by Russian fighters in early May 1943.
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Offline arc3371

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #622 on: November 29, 2012, 11:36:56 AM »
A Hungarian Ju-169 with Jendrassik turboprop engines could be interesting

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #623 on: November 29, 2012, 02:50:17 PM »
You have given me ideas for something similar with a Akaflieg Berlin B 9
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Offline JP Vieira

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #624 on: November 30, 2012, 03:56:47 AM »
These twins are amazing