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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2150 on: May 03, 2019, 09:39:41 AM »
That's beautiful and the EAC is gorgeous (wonder if the TS.11 Iskra was inspired by similar requirements?) and both are beautifully rendered.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2151 on: May 04, 2019, 05:59:44 AM »

Thanks folks! Evan: Yep, plenty of TS.11 Iskra DNA in the EACs ;)
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Toothier Trainer - Hispano Aviación's HA-5101C Alcaudón

The Triana design office was justifiably proud of Hispano Aviación's domestic jet trainer family. Ejército del Aire trials had gauged the HA-5201E - their E.18 Vencejo 2-seat trainer - to be both under-powered and under-equipped. [1] Those were probably justified criticisms but, nevertheless, the Ministerio del Aire had already ordered the type into production. As previously mentioned, the prototype EAC-E had been modified to improve stability whilest simultaneously being converted into single-seat EAC-C ('C' for Combate) configuration.

To Hispano Aviación, the EAC-C was its HA-5101C model (with the suffix again for Combate). [2] For the EdA, this armed single-seater was the C.7 Alcaudón (Shrike). Despite that aircraft's modest performance, analysts in the Hispano Aviación sales office judged the HA-5101C to have some export potential. That assessment was based primarily on the aircraft's low unit. The sales focus would on Spanish-speaking Latin American countries. To that end, the prototype Alcaudón was borrowed back from the EdA for a sales junket through Central and South America. Hispano Aviación redubbed this aircraft as the Alcaudón-E (Alcaudón Export). [3]

Top HA-5101C Alcaudón-E in the markings of its Latin American sale tour

No export sales for the Alcaudón-E resulted from the prototype's Latin American tour. Still, displaying the aircraft raised Hispano Aviación's international profile while playing a small role in normalizing world relations with Franco's Spain. In any case, the HA-5201E/E.18 Vencejo and HA-5101C/C.7 Alcaudón were proving to be successes in domestic service. The EdA adjusted to the performance restrictions of their modest charges and reaped the benefits of the economical operation of these little aircraft. With this success under his belt, Dott. Ing. Mario Castoldi could at last retire. Castoldi returning to Italy to live out his days in comfort at Trezzano sul Naviglio.

'Turbo-Buchón' Redux - An Older Macchi Belatedly Enters the 'Jet Age'

Some years after Castoldi's retirement, the 'Turbo-Buchón' concept was revisited. The EdA had been finding it increasingly difficult to maintain the aging Merlin engines in their C-4M Super Buchón strike aircraft. A turboprop replacement was the obvious solution for re-engining the HA-1216-M1L fleet. But by then, Hispano Aviación had ceased to exist. In yet another of its forced re-organizations, the Instituto Nacional de Industria had subsumed HA into an enlarged CASA, SA. It was CASA which instituted the revived C-4T programme.

Ironically, this time, the MdA accepted a proposal to install the Rolls-Royce Dart as a Merlin replacement - just as Mario Castoldi had originally recommended years earlier. Since both Rolls-Royce engines used similar firewall engine-mounting points, replacing the Merlins with Darts providing no great mechanical challenges. A key issue with a HA-1216-M1L re-engining programme lay with the low-set tailplane being bathed in the hot exhaust plume. The MdA rejected an entirely new  raised tail on as old an airframe as the Super Buchón. Instead, a replacement horizontal tailplane was designed by CASA's Triana office. This heavier-built stabilizer and its elevator were metal-covered. The leading edge of both stabilizers and elevators were covered in stainless steel to resist the turboprop's exhaust heat.

A prototype conversion to 'C-1216-D2L' standard was undertaken using a Dart turboprop, engine mount, and cowling parts taken from a Vickers Viscount. [4] Engine installation went smoothly but flight trials were another matter. That longer nose caused no end of stabilty problems. This had been anticipated and an extra dorsal fin had been added to the prototype conversion. This dorsal fin proved woefully inadequate - it was increased in size twice and a small ventral fin was also added. Eventually, the tail fin was also slightly extended and a new, enlarged rudder applied. These tweaks worked but the C-4T Harpía (Harpy) would never regain the pleasant flight characteristics of the C-4M Super Buchón.

Mario Castoldi's response to the HA-1216-D2L/C-4T [4] transformation was not recorded. Doubtless, he would have regarded the Dart-powered C-4T conversions as abominations - the shapely lines of his original Macchi fighters were all but gone. But neither the MdA or EdA was interested in such aesthetic concerns. The 'new' CASA C-4Ts were filling a vital role and doing all that was expected of them. The rebuilt Harpías had lost none of their predecessor's speed or load-carrying capability. [5] With a comparatively simple to execute modification programme, effectiveness had been added to aircraft which had otherwise reached the practical end of their service lives. As modified, the C-4Ts lasted another decade in Spanish service.

BottomA C-4T Harpía at CASA's Triana facility for a rebuild. The replacement cowling demonstrates one of the CASA C-1216-D2L strike aircraft's weak points - a propensity for nosing over with hard braking. [6]

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[1] The key EdA equipment complaint was the lack of an ejector seat. Since the in-service Sabre fighters were fitted with asiento eyectable, this was a valid complaint. However, blame for this absence lay with MdA budget-wrangling not with Hispano Aviación.

[2] With Hispano Aviación internal designations, the first numeral indicated a major design type - in this case, '5' for the EAC series. The next numeral indicated crew number - so, '1' for the single-seat EAC-C but '2' for the 2-seat EAC-E. The final two numerals were reserved for sub-types (but infrequently used).

[3] In some sources, the 'E' in Alcaudón-E is said to stand for España. Either way, with the EAC-C/EAC-E designation distinction, that 'E' suffix was bound to confuse potential customers for the export model

[4] The engine was taken from ex-KLM V.803 series Viscount PH-VID (c/n 175). That aircraft had sat 'in the weeds' at the EdA's Base Aérea de Torrejón since being wrecked there in July 1958. Mistaking BA Torrejón for nearby Barajas (MAD), the KLM crew had over-shot on landing. Upon leaving the runway, PH-VID had swiped its nose gear and wrinkling the forward fuselage. Fortunately for the Spanish C-4T programme, neither the engines nor propellers were damaged. The first four Harpía all received powerplants and cowling compenents from PH-VID.

[5] Adopting the wing tip fuel tanks from the EAC trainers actually increased the turboprop strike aircraft's usable range.

[6] This aircraft shows the scheme for Harpía conversions. Note that squadron code markings have been erased (once repairs are completed, this aircraft will go into the Harpía 'pool'.) Oddly, despite carrying a full under-wing practice weapons load, this aircraft has not yet had its gun sight refitted.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2152 on: May 04, 2019, 08:58:29 AM »
Very nice, both of them.  The Turbo-Buchonis at least as aesthetic as any of the "Turbo-Mustang" conversions using Darts.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2153 on: May 05, 2019, 04:09:44 AM »
One could easily see the C-4T being nicknamed the “Cyrano de Bergerac“

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2154 on: May 06, 2019, 05:54:27 AM »
One could easily see the C-4T being nicknamed the “Cyrano de Bergerac“

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*snicker* I like that idea.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2155 on: May 07, 2019, 05:25:57 AM »
One could easily see the C-4T being nicknamed the “Cyrano de Bergerac“

 ;D  ... And now, the final installment in the Spanish Macchi story ...

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Film Star - From 'Mula' to 'Mock Saetta'

When the CASA Cernícalo (Kestrel) intermediate trainer entered Ejército del Aire service, obsolescent Hispano Aviación HA-2221-S1L Alcotán trainers - aka EdA T-4S 'Mulas' - were withdrawn from use or became squadron hacks for the few remaining C-4T Harpía squadrons. The Alcotán's 'bumped' cowling gave it a very dated look - but also provided the strongest resemblance to the ancestoral Macchi fighters. This had not escaped the notice of aviation enthusiasts in Italy. Already, retired Alcotán airframes had contibuted components to Italian museum restorations of Macchi C.202 and C.205V fighters.

When plans began for a motion picture re-enacting the story of Italian aviators in Libya during WWII, the Alcotán offered a near-period appearance. Alas, the Spanish Government declined all offers of purchase for airworthy 'Mulas'. However, the Ministerio del Aire in cooperation with the Dirección General de Turismo [1] proposed an alternative scheme. Several T-4S 'Mulas' still with the EdA would be modified - by the Spanish aviation industry - to resemble the Italian's wartime Macchi C.200 Saetta fighters. An agreement was reached with the Italian film production company. That firm would fund the required visual modifications while the airframes remained the property of the Spanish state.

"I'm Ready for My Close-Up" - 'Mula' Modifications

In the final conversion contract, it was agreed that two T-4S would be modified into single-seaters. Both featured a new, raised and open cockpit. A 'hunched' forward fuselage and fake machine guns would complete the illusion of a Macchi C.200 fighter. A third 'Mula' remained a 2-seater and was intended as a camera ship. [2] For that purpose, multiple camera mounting points were incorporated. The rear position was screened to resemble a Saetta cockpit. The rear cockpit's stick-and-pedals had been removed but actors could be filmed 'at the controls'.

With a leased B-25 Mitchell operating as its lead camera plane, the movie was filmed over Andalusia and its Mediterranean coastline. The 'Mula' camera ship (EC-MCH) was the least convincing 'mock Saetta' but was suitable for formation shots taken from a distance. One of the single-seaters (EC-MCI) was also used as a fixed-camera ship. For 'in action' shots, the glass-fibre rear cockpit fairing was removed to expose the camera mounts. This provided over-the-shoulder shots of the pilot for the airplane being manoeuvred in the air as well as on take-off and landing. The overall effect of the 'mock Saettas' was very good. For the average film-goer, the modified T-4S was the spitting image of the wartime Macchi fighter.

The dramatic qualities of the film were less successful. Today, the movie 1940 - Africa Settentrionale is best-remembered for launching the film career of its love-interest co-star, Monica Vitti. Its flying stars faded from memory. They were largely forgotten until after the death of Francisco Franco. Then, two of the mouldering Macchis were recovered from the weeds at the EdA's Base Aérea de Vázquez Sagastizábal (near Seville) [3] for restoration. By the early 1980s, both former aerial film stars had become regular performers at Italian airshows.

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[1] The Dirección General de Turismo answered to both the Ministerio de Cultura and the Ministerio de Información y Turismo ... but not the Dirección General de Cinematografía y Teatro. Despite its name, the latter Directorate for Cinematography and Theatre was actually Franco's agency for film and theatre censorship.

[2] Two other non-flying T-4S airframes were visually modified to act as 'ground-runners'. A non-running 'Mula' was also temporarily fitted with the two-row Fiat A.74 engine. Unfortunately, no surviving cowling from a HA-1201-F1L 'Burro' could be located (so this mockup was used to represent a desert airstrip maintenance scene).

[3] Now Base Aérea de Morón/Morón Air Base (OZP/LEMO), 56 km SW of Seville.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2156 on: May 07, 2019, 07:41:02 AM »
That's some super smoke-ring camo and that 2-seater sure has a certain character to it.

Which is one of the things I enjoy about your work. You never fail somehow to impart character into everything you render.

Wonderful to see this on a Monday.
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« Reply #2157 on: May 08, 2019, 03:56:33 AM »
Cheers Brian. And now for something completely different ...

In M.A.D's Alternative Australian Defence Force Orbat thread, he was asking about a variant of the Breguet Alizé to fill a shipboard AEW role for the RAN. tankmodeler suggested up-engining to the Dart RDa.10 (2,555 shp): http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6278.msg145622#msg145622

There were two RW proposals for an AEW Alizé. The more practical one had a top-mounted radome. The alternative proposal (with much more whif appeal) had a belly radome necessitating a much taller undercarriage. The main gear is easy - it retracts into the wing pods (with no need for sonobuoys, the AEW version's pods have plenty of room for longer main legs when retracted).

The longer nose gear is trickier. Fortunately, tankmodeler's suggestion results in a longer nose. Problem solved ... at least in whif-world ;)

I liked tankmodeler's approach but tweaked it slightly. First, I kept the standard Alizé crew positions. Then, in place of the Dart RDa.10s, I've gone with Dart RDa.12 Mk 201s governed down from their usual 3,245 shp output. My reasoning was engine commonality (read: shared MRO) with Kiwi Andovers. Then, there's the potential of an RAAF AEW type based on the HS748.

For that RAAF AEW HS748, I'm thinking the same radar set as the AEW Alizé and this HS748 AEW would also be powered by the same governed-down Dart RDa.12s. The AEW variants could be converted from the RAAF's Series 2/229 C.2s (A10-595 & A10-596) with their Dart RDa.8s replaced and stripped of VIP seating. (Perhaps these AEW HS748s could remain with No.32 Sqn but act as lodger dets at whichever based they were required at?)

Name: 'Breguet Bactrian' is already spoken for ;)  Of course, alizé means 'trade wind'. Are there any appropriate Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander names for Aussie trade winds? (BTW, why didn't the RAAF use the name Andover for the HS748? After all, there is an historical village of Andover in Tasmania.)
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« Reply #2158 on: May 08, 2019, 04:02:34 AM »
Good grief! Even a soft deck landing & that radome is ending up in the crew compartment! :o
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« Reply #2159 on: May 08, 2019, 04:05:53 AM »
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« Reply #2160 on: May 08, 2019, 04:45:24 AM »
It's about time those Aussies got saddled with such a looker.

I like the subdued scheme and I can say I've never seen that type of aircraft (or any variant thereof) rendered better!

You've got an artist's eye, apophenia!

Better hope he doesn't want it back.  ;D

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« Reply #2161 on: May 08, 2019, 05:26:26 AM »
Now that Alize is something to think about, got a couple of those radomes in the stash ----

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« Reply #2162 on: May 08, 2019, 06:46:36 AM »
I have a 1/48 Alizé in the stash which is going to be a RAN FAA bird but in a scheme like this:

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« Reply #2163 on: May 08, 2019, 09:45:29 AM »
Good grief! Even a soft deck landing & that radome is ending up in the crew compartment! :o
I'll have to agree, there.  But it is a beautiful rendering of the concept.  May we now have one of the top-mounted radome?

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2164 on: May 08, 2019, 10:22:29 AM »
Taking the idea a little further, one can see a similarity between this one:



And this RAAF FAC PC-9A:



Therefore RAAF/RAN (joint squadron even?) FAC Alizé?
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2165 on: May 08, 2019, 11:03:37 AM »
After scrutinizing pictures:  yes, they both have nice four blade props, but decided I prefer airplane in lower picture.

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« Reply #2166 on: May 08, 2019, 09:37:18 PM »
I was reading somewhere that the Alize was considered by the Air Ministry (or was that the Navy), but then rejected as underpowered.

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« Reply #2167 on: May 09, 2019, 01:30:50 AM »
the Air Ministry

Which Air Ministry?
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« Reply #2168 on: May 09, 2019, 02:24:50 AM »
the Air Ministry

Which Air Ministry?

Good question, if I could find where I read that I'll let you know. I think it was in an AeroMilitaria

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2169 on: May 09, 2019, 03:42:26 AM »
Love the RAN Alize.

I've whacked my interpretations of the two Breguet suggested variants on my profile thread.
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7176.30

I'm happy to whip up versions in RAN schemes if anyone is interested.

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« Reply #2170 on: May 10, 2019, 03:51:36 AM »
Good grief! Even a soft deck landing & that radome is ending up in the crew compartment! :o

It does indeed, venerable vombatus. Perhaps that's why Dassault/Breguet put forward their top-mounted radome concept for the Alizé AEW? On the other hand, the built AEW Gannets seem to have been operated without too many 'deck landing modifications' of radomes.

Jonesthetank Love your top-mounted version - especially the twin tails  :smiley:

Anybody have suggestions for indigenous names for Aussie trade winds?
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« Reply #2171 on: May 11, 2019, 01:46:27 AM »
Anybody have suggestions for indigenous names for Aussie trade winds?

Maybe not Trade Winds as such but here are some potential aboriginal words that might relate:

Bullai bullai - north wind
Boolee - Whirlwind
Booligal - A windy place
Booromi - Wind
Barega - Wind
Gooreek - Wind
Guruwa - Wind
Kareela - Wind
Koorin - East wind
Kareelah - South wind
Mornmoot - Blast of wind
Myamba - Strong wind
Oolilpa - Wind
Pukara - South wind
Tiarri - Wind

Koorin might be a potential given it is "East wind" and Trade Winds are winds from the east toward the west (easterly) found in the tropics
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« Reply #2172 on: May 12, 2019, 06:33:56 AM »
Ooo, great stuff on the wind names  :smiley:  Cheers Greg!  Gotta be the Breguet Booligal, right?

Since Jonesthetank already has the RW dorsal-antennaed AEW Alizé proposal covered, I thought I'd try something different.

The assumption here is that the RAN rejected the original Thomson CSF AEW antennae for some reason. Instead a proposal was accepted from General Electric for a scaled-down derivative of the AN/APS-125 radar antennae for the US Navy's Grumman E-2 Hawkeye.

This new, compact AN/APS-502 radar was less capable than that of the US Hawkeye but was seen as adequate for the needs of the RAN. Development costs for the APS-502 set was kept manageable by tieing into Grumman Tracker modernization projects. Rather than following the Grumman E-1A formula with its fixed antenna, many Tracker users chose to develop new roto-dome AEW variants (generally along with turboprop conversion).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2173 on: May 12, 2019, 05:46:16 PM »
Now, that looks absolutely spot on!  :smiley:

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« Reply #2174 on: May 13, 2019, 02:39:21 AM »
 :smiley:
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