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Offline Brian da Basher

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2160 on: May 08, 2019, 04:45:24 AM »
It's about time those Aussies got saddled with such a looker.

I like the subdued scheme and I can say I've never seen that type of aircraft (or any variant thereof) rendered better!

You've got an artist's eye, apophenia!

Better hope he doesn't want it back.  ;D

Great stuff and always a treat to see your latest!

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2161 on: May 08, 2019, 05:26:26 AM »
Now that Alize is something to think about, got a couple of those radomes in the stash ----

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2162 on: May 08, 2019, 06:46:36 AM »
I have a 1/48 Alizé in the stash which is going to be a RAN FAA bird but in a scheme like this:

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2163 on: May 08, 2019, 09:45:29 AM »
Good grief! Even a soft deck landing & that radome is ending up in the crew compartment! :o
I'll have to agree, there.  But it is a beautiful rendering of the concept.  May we now have one of the top-mounted radome?

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2164 on: May 08, 2019, 10:22:29 AM »
Taking the idea a little further, one can see a similarity between this one:



And this RAAF FAC PC-9A:



Therefore RAAF/RAN (joint squadron even?) FAC Alizé?
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2165 on: May 08, 2019, 11:03:37 AM »
After scrutinizing pictures:  yes, they both have nice four blade props, but decided I prefer airplane in lower picture.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2166 on: May 08, 2019, 09:37:18 PM »
I was reading somewhere that the Alize was considered by the Air Ministry (or was that the Navy), but then rejected as underpowered.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2167 on: May 09, 2019, 01:30:50 AM »
the Air Ministry

Which Air Ministry?
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2168 on: May 09, 2019, 02:24:50 AM »
the Air Ministry

Which Air Ministry?

Good question, if I could find where I read that I'll let you know. I think it was in an AeroMilitaria

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2169 on: May 09, 2019, 03:42:26 AM »
Love the RAN Alize.

I've whacked my interpretations of the two Breguet suggested variants on my profile thread.
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7176.30

I'm happy to whip up versions in RAN schemes if anyone is interested.

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2170 on: May 10, 2019, 03:51:36 AM »
Good grief! Even a soft deck landing & that radome is ending up in the crew compartment! :o

It does indeed, venerable vombatus. Perhaps that's why Dassault/Breguet put forward their top-mounted radome concept for the Alizé AEW? On the other hand, the built AEW Gannets seem to have been operated without too many 'deck landing modifications' of radomes.

Jonesthetank Love your top-mounted version - especially the twin tails  :smiley:

Anybody have suggestions for indigenous names for Aussie trade winds?
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2171 on: May 11, 2019, 01:46:27 AM »
Anybody have suggestions for indigenous names for Aussie trade winds?

Maybe not Trade Winds as such but here are some potential aboriginal words that might relate:

Bullai bullai - north wind
Boolee - Whirlwind
Booligal - A windy place
Booromi - Wind
Barega - Wind
Gooreek - Wind
Guruwa - Wind
Kareela - Wind
Koorin - East wind
Kareelah - South wind
Mornmoot - Blast of wind
Myamba - Strong wind
Oolilpa - Wind
Pukara - South wind
Tiarri - Wind

Koorin might be a potential given it is "East wind" and Trade Winds are winds from the east toward the west (easterly) found in the tropics
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2172 on: May 12, 2019, 06:33:56 AM »
Ooo, great stuff on the wind names  :smiley:  Cheers Greg!  Gotta be the Breguet Booligal, right?

Since Jonesthetank already has the RW dorsal-antennaed AEW Alizé proposal covered, I thought I'd try something different.

The assumption here is that the RAN rejected the original Thomson CSF AEW antennae for some reason. Instead a proposal was accepted from General Electric for a scaled-down derivative of the AN/APS-125 radar antennae for the US Navy's Grumman E-2 Hawkeye.

This new, compact AN/APS-502 radar was less capable than that of the US Hawkeye but was seen as adequate for the needs of the RAN. Development costs for the APS-502 set was kept manageable by tieing into Grumman Tracker modernization projects. Rather than following the Grumman E-1A formula with its fixed antenna, many Tracker users chose to develop new roto-dome AEW variants (generally along with turboprop conversion).
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2173 on: May 12, 2019, 05:46:16 PM »
Now, that looks absolutely spot on!  :smiley:

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #2174 on: May 13, 2019, 02:39:21 AM »
 :smiley:
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