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Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« on: January 12, 2012, 06:15:53 PM »
Hi folks,

An area for your Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration.

To start, how about a West German or Italian F-8.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 08:25:19 PM »
Did a bunch of Crusader profiles back in the day, including USAF, TPS USN, RAF & RAN along with four TF-8s, three of which were modded as recce platforms.  Also worth noting that my last F-8 was for Carl as a twin-sticker (although not in the Twosader mould, toting AIM-54s.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 02:00:09 AM »
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a twin-sticker (although not in the Twosader mould

Funny.  That made me instantly think of a "Twosader" with side-by-side seating ala TF-102 or EE. Lightning Trainers.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 05:35:36 AM »
Swing wing, teardrop canopy, and "F-16 style" intake moved a bit back. All in one plane.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 05:45:14 AM »
I am pretty certain our very own Sentinel Chicken did a VG Crusader a few years ago.  Maybe he will repost it here.
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 09:50:32 AM »
F-8/V-529 (A-7 with two dry F404s replacing the dry TF41) cross with two afterburner-equipped F404s and add whatever other updates you want (I'd redo the wing to allow more hardpoints with spacing similar to that of the A-7's wing).

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 01:15:32 AM »
Some old profiles I did. The backstory was that with Britain getting involved in Vietnam, the FAA made a "panic buy" of F-8s, and then later, limited to a new generation of small conventional carriers, they developed an advanced version with Vought and Hawker-Siddeley which features a raised cockpit, a better radar, and an afterburning Spey. The Paladin ended up being adopted by the French (in exchange for the FAA using French AAMs) and various other nations who bought copies of the British or French carrier designs. Two groups of the smaller NATO nations then "clubbed together" to run jointly owned carriers, with Paladins, one in the North Sea/Atlantic and one in the Mediterranean.











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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2012, 04:24:08 AM »
I am pretty certain our very own Sentinel Chicken did a VG Crusader a few years ago.  Maybe he will repost it here.


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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 05:26:33 AM »
Certainly looks like it would work as a kit bash between a Tomcat and Crusader.  Or a Flogger and Crusader. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 12:40:27 PM »
Certainly looks like it would work as a kit bash between a Tomcat and Crusader.  Or a Flogger and Crusader.
Either a scaleorama between a smaller scale Tomcat and a Crusader or a same-scale bash between a later-model Flogger and a Crusader.  My only concern is that the wing looks to be a bit too far aft for proper stability.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 02:30:25 AM »
An idea sprouted over in the "McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration" thread - USAF gets F-8s instead of cancelled F-4s.

Maybe replace variable incidence wing or at least lock it in position.  Eventually replace engine?

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 11:00:55 AM »
I can see the engine getting replaced by a J79 (lighter and smaller engine with same thrust as J57) with the TF41 following on to keep pace with the A-7 in USAF usage (though a full multi-role F-8 with several wing hardpoints might obviate the need for the A-7 - be "amusing" if the improved wing for the USAF fed back into the Navy's aircraft).  Personally, I'd keep the wing variable in incidence rather than locking it down, but that's me wanting to give pilots as many options as possible.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 11:40:01 AM »
An old idea of mine (not that I'd think myself to be the first one to cook it up):

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 02:11:46 PM »
It gets even more interesting if you look at the various two-seat Super Crusaders described in Tommy Thompson's book on the aircraft.  A truly marvelous read.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 06:50:30 PM »
I can see the engine getting replaced by a J79 (lighter and smaller engine with same thrust as J57) with the TF41 following on to keep pace with the A-7 in USAF usage (though a full multi-role F-8 with several wing hardpoints might obviate the need for the A-7 - be "amusing" if the improved wing for the USAF fed back into the Navy's aircraft).  Personally, I'd keep the wing variable in incidence rather than locking it down, but that's me wanting to give pilots as many options as possible.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2012, 08:39:39 PM »
There was a real-life proposal for a J-79 engined Crusader. IIRC, it was offered for the export fighter requirement that was eventually met by the F-5E.

Those Paladins I posted earlier are supposed to be powered by afterburning Speys, hence the deepened intakes.
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2012, 02:25:02 AM »
There was a real-life proposal for a J-79 engined Crusader. IIRC, it was offered for the export fighter requirement that was eventually met by the F-5E.



That would be the Vought IFA V-1000 or the Super V-1000 (I'm a little unclear which exactly was the J-79 powered version - will check more):

1 x J79-GE-17 turbojet, 8120kgf
Span: 10.9m
Length: 16.7mHeight: 4.96m

Wing Area: 49.2 sq m
Empty Weight: 8200kg
Fuel: 2940kg
Warload: 2720kg
MTOW, intercept mission: 11790kg
Max Speed: Mach 1.7
Takeoff run: 600m
Ceiling: 18045m
Radius of action: 510km
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 02:45:28 PM »
I am pretty certain our very own Sentinel Chicken did a VG Crusader a few years ago.  Maybe he will repost it here.


Found it:




Oh no what have you done Sentinel Chicken  :o
You have taken one of my favourite simple and easily maintainable fighters and given it the VG wing :-\
Too much weight and complexity  :-\

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2012, 02:48:46 PM »
A few new ideas:

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  • South Vietnamese F-8
  • Taiwanese F-8
  • Canadian F-8
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 09:53:13 AM »
Like these CAF F-8s?





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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 11:45:42 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 07:53:58 PM »
Good question. I looked in my profile stash and I don't have any.

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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2012, 02:34:25 AM »
Several years ago, I did up a Luftwaffe Crusader in a splinter version of the wraparound camo their Tornados used to have back in the 80s.

I didn't do any real radical changes to it, but stuck an LRMTS type blister under the fuselage between the intake lip and forward gear bay and hung a smaller Paveway laser bomb under each wing.
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2012, 02:41:58 AM »
Several years ago, I did up a Luftwaffe Crusader in a splinter version of the wraparound camo their Tornados used to have back in the 80s.

I didn't do any real radical changes to it, but stuck an LRMTS type blister under the fuselage between the intake lip and forward gear bay and hung a smaller Paveway laser bomb under each wing.

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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2012, 07:03:36 AM »
John also did a USN F-8 with AIM-54s but I cannot find it.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2012, 02:29:37 PM »
John also did a USN F-8 with AIM-54s but I cannot find it.

WHAT!!!!
Wow I must have missed that  :icon_crap:
Wow what a payload for the Crusader!!
Did he put a big radome on it to fit the AWG-9 radar?
Or was it intended to simply be a delivery-truck of sorts - so as to get the missiles into the air, whence the F-14 Tomcat's of the fleet would illuminate and track the targets?
 
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2012, 03:53:45 PM »
Several years ago, I did up a Luftwaffe Crusader in a splinter version of the wraparound camo their Tornados used to have back in the 80s.

I didn't do any real radical changes to it, but stuck an LRMTS type blister under the fuselage between the intake lip and forward gear bay and hung a smaller Paveway laser bomb under each wing.

Any pics?

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2012, 07:43:36 PM »
John also did a USN F-8 with AIM-54s but I cannot find it.

WHAT!!!!
Wow I must have missed that  :icon_crap:
Wow what a payload for the Crusader!!
Did he put a big radome on it to fit the AWG-9 radar?
Or was it intended to simply be a delivery-truck of sorts - so as to get the missiles into the air, whence the F-14 Tomcat's of the fleet would illuminate and track the targets?
 
One thing is for sure - the pilot would not afford to carry his toothbrush!! For it would brake the Camels back  ;) 

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I won an ESCI F-8E as part of a lot win and I have some Hasegawa AIM-54s so ... dump into blender, puree for 10 minutes and pour onto the deck.  ;D

My thoughts were the F-14 airframe/wings/engines etc were taking too long to integrate so they took the working AWG-9, put it in a rather large pod, mounted on it on a inboard pylon, added a RIO GIB (John's profile showed this via an itty-bitty window) and mount the AIM-54s on the other 3 available pylons.

I looked at putting the AWG-9 on the airframe but the cross section is BIG. I'd have to move the engine intake which defeats the purpose of a stop-gap solution.

And yes they pulled out the gun out to fit the in RIO. Let's call it a stop gap just to get the AIM-54 into the field. Hmmm, I wonder if there is room for a GEPOD-30?

John: Can I add this to your queue. I don't know what why I don't have a copy of your work.  :icon_crap:

 
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2012, 08:41:29 PM »
There you go Carl.



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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2012, 02:16:26 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2012, 03:19:36 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2012, 05:52:03 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2012, 05:57:14 AM »
Definitely liking the JASDF AF CAF Crusaders! 
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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2012, 09:02:37 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2012, 09:05:15 PM »
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More.....

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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2012, 04:56:41 AM »
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Being neither very original nor that hard to build put a RF-8 into U.S.A.F. or US Army during Vietnam.
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« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2013, 12:18:23 PM »
A Spey powered Twosader?

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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2013, 02:01:33 PM »
A Spey powered Twosader?


Was proposed...


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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2013, 03:50:33 PM »
I had heard of it but never heard the Shorts bit nor had I seen any art work for it, would have been able to fly from a Centaur or Victorious?  (or even a Majestic)

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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2013, 06:51:33 PM »
I had heard of it but never heard the Shorts bit nor had I seen any art work for it, would have been able to fly from a Centaur or Victorious?  (or even a Majestic)

Crusaders are two heavy for Majestic class carriers but if Centaurs could fly Scimitars they should be able to fly Crusaders. Hermes and Victorious no problems.

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« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2013, 07:48:19 PM »
I would love to have seen Victorious under the RAN Ensign with Crusaders and Twosaders lining her flight deck.  I wonder how long she could have been retined in service, she was older than Melbourne but her modernisation was pretty close to a total rebuild and she was a sturdier design.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2013, 12:28:48 AM »
What radar was specified for the RN "Twosader"?

Or would a two-man crew have been much-more worthwhile even for the stock AN/APQ-94 or -149?
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2013, 08:10:36 AM »
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2013, 10:05:30 AM »
Then, of course, there's that pictorially documented case of a Navy F-8 doing a test flight from Grand Prarie with the back fuselage of a Marine aircraft.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2014, 03:19:45 AM »
Just a nice photo:

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2015, 06:13:56 AM »
Lateral intakes for Crusader.


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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2015, 06:27:30 AM »
Interesting look
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2015, 06:03:53 AM »
Something I found online this week:

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2017, 11:26:59 AM »
Interesting, particularly from the whif point of view, unbuilt Crusader variants from the new Specialty Press book:

VFA Crusader with more attack capability and a second hard point under each wing
All-weather F8U-2 with slightly larger radome, no guns, and carrying Sparrow III's
All-weather two-seat in tandem version of the F8U-3 proposed to Canada

Has a good bit on the evolution from F-8 to A-7, too.

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« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2018, 04:12:04 AM »
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« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2018, 06:22:35 AM »
Supposedly a real proposal:


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« Reply #61 on: June 16, 2018, 06:27:07 AM »
 1969?
That seems awfully late for something with that layout.  ???
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2018, 01:16:05 PM »
Interesting, particularly from the whif point of view, unbuilt Crusader variants from the new Specialty Press book:

VFA Crusader with more attack capability and a second hard point under each wing
All-weather F8U-2 with slightly larger radome, no guns, and carrying Sparrow III's

Ohhh, any drawings of these proposals?? :P

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2018, 07:29:19 PM »
How about an F/A-8 Crusader instead of the A-7, a true F-8 derivative instead of virtually a new aircraft of the same configuration?  This likely would have sold quite well, imagine it with all the A-7 operators, as well as a number of countries that opted for supersonic fighter attack types.

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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2018, 02:29:26 AM »
How about an F/A-8 Crusader instead of the A-7, a true F-8 derivative instead of virtually a new aircraft of the same configuration?  This likely would have sold quite well, imagine it with all the A-7 operators, as well as a number of countries that opted for supersonic fighter attack types.
The Crusader really didn't have a lot of spare lifting capability with a max payload, including fuel, of 7 ton. The Phantom's, by comparison was double that at over 14 tons. It's also instructive that the primary stores points were on the side of the fuselage (even though the wings could take 2000 lb each) which suggests that the wing hinge and elevation mechanism wasn't terribly happy with extra wing loads during landing and take off.

So you'd probably have to redesign the wing and the mechanism to handle higher loads. Of course, once you've done that the effect ripples through the aircraft in terms of higher weights and lower overall performance and possibly shorter range. Certainly, the aircraft didn't have long legs and loading it up with bombs wouldn't help that at all. The Crusader really isn't a terribly good candidate for turning into a multirole or strike fighter mostly because it had been quite optimised as a daytime visual range dogfighter. It's instructive that neither the Yanks nor the French moved to upgrade the Crusaders to carry BVR missiles which seems to indicate that they were too specialised to be worth the upgrade. And remember, one of the reasons the Crusader had the variable incidence wing was to allow it to take off and land with a wing that required either too high a landing speed or too great a nose up attitude to generate the needed lift at carrier speeds. Increasing loads, dirtying the wing or changing it substantively would possibly result in the inability to carrier deploy or in a larger wing, further degrading performance.  They really did optimise the Crusader as a day fighter.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2018, 04:30:16 AM »
Crusaders with wing stores:



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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2018, 08:33:41 AM »
Apart from thinking those bombs aren't big enough     :P :P :P  what are those pods mounted on the Sidewinder rails ?

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2018, 09:59:42 AM »
Apart from thinking those bombs aren't big enough     :P :P :P  what are those pods mounted on the Sidewinder rails ?

The bombs are Mk-84 2000lb bombs. Plenty big enough to ruin someone's day. The pods are rockets. Each pod carries two 5 inch Zuni rockets for 4 on each side and 8 total. But the F-8 never was considered a very effective or useful ground attack bird.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2018, 02:25:38 PM »
So in a nut shell the excellent day fighter F-8 wasn't a very good attack aircraft while the excellent Attack A-7 wasn't a very good fighter.  Maybe something half way between the two could have been good enough, or more than good enough at both....


Oh wait a second, isn't that what I suggested in the first place  ;)

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2018, 03:34:32 AM »
Something akin to the V-1000 or Super V-1000?



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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2018, 03:12:26 AM »
Crusaders with wing stores:
Exactly. There's not much actually hanging on those wings. 2000 lb per wing I think was the max. according to Wiki.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2018, 02:04:25 PM »
How about an F/A-8 Crusader instead of the A-7, a true F-8 derivative instead of virtually a new aircraft of the same configuration?  This likely would have sold quite well, imagine it with all the A-7 operators, as well as a number of countries that opted for supersonic fighter attack types.
According to the recent Specialty Press book on the F-8, there was a study, V-456, that added another hardpoint to each wing of the F-8.  This ended up being a waypoint in the evolution of the "Attack Crusader"/Corsair II from the Crusader.  Might be worth modeling in USMC markings.

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« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2018, 02:07:38 AM »
Wing-Tip mounted AAM launch rails should also be a must-have for any new build or refurbished Crusader. 
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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2018, 02:31:42 AM »
Crusaders with wing stores:
Exactly. There's not much actually hanging on those wings. 2000 lb per wing I think was the max. according to Wiki.

I wonder if that had more to do with the variable incidence jacking system the F-8 had. Maybe not able to handle too much weight on the wing.

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Re: Vought F-8 Crusader Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2018, 12:55:17 AM »
Crusaders with wing stores:
Exactly. There's not much actually hanging on those wings. 2000 lb per wing I think was the max. according to Wiki.

I wonder if that had more to do with the variable incidence jacking system the F-8 had. Maybe not able to handle too much weight on the wing.
Very likely, I suspect. Mind, the entire wing system may have been built lightly to limit weight, so having decided that the aircraft was primarily a dogfighter, they could have purposely decided to limit everything else in an effort to lower weight and increase speed/acceleration.

So the jacks may be designed at the same time as a wing that can also only take the 2000 lb loads, etc. etc. as the whole thing is optimised for the dog fight mission.

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