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Offline finsrin

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Stuart tank
« on: August 11, 2013, 01:02:28 PM »
Posing this question for those of you who know tanks and tank FCS and etc...
I have Stuart kits in 1/35 and 1/72.   Presume others at BTS do too.
To build Stuarts M3 & M5 as modernized with contemporary FCS and whatever else thatz new --- what would you add/delete to indicate it has a 21st Century modernization ?
Thanks in advance.
Bill

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 01:24:02 PM »
Maybe give it a fluted barrel (see below) as well as external sensor heads/turret.  Maybe also ERA armour and a external ATGW mount.

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 01:32:06 PM »
Well there is this M3A3 with Vulcan that's been languishing on the shelf o' doom.



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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 01:35:25 PM »
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 01:46:35 PM »
Nice surprise :)
Wasn't thinking in that kinda direction.  Do like it.
Perhaps a Cobra helicopter 3-barrel 20mm in stock turret.
What are examples of proper external sensor heads for 20mm or the 37mm ?

With that much of a start and it looking so right; otta move it to front of next to be finished queue.
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 02:23:05 PM »
If you're going for a (small) gun tank; enhanced optical, infra-red & thermal imaging systems, & laser range-finder would be essential. ERA, definitely; otherwise its merely a mobile crematorium. Maybe a 30mm chaingun firing the GAU-8 round? Bigger engine, diesel, or go for a small gas turbine (as per M1 Abrams). Boxed ATGW, at least 1, possibly 2 (for those hard-to-kill targets). May not be great in the front line, but could make a decent LoC & logistics smasher!

Vulcan-type systems, these days, it's definitely going to be infantry fire support. So, the same imagining systems as above & the option of laser rangefinder (not essential, though). Spaced ceramic armour (open turret + ERA = not so healthy for crew). Probably go with the diesel for your new engine.

My ha'penny's worth! ;)

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 04:46:22 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG. 

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 05:22:28 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG.

You got me stumped.  Whatz "KCA" ?

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 05:36:49 PM »
Whooping big single barrel revolver canon firing same ammo as GAU-8 Avenger in the A-10.  Its main service use was on the JA37 Viggen

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 05:37:01 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG.

You got me stumped.  Whatz "KCA" ?

It's a type of cannon By Oerlikon of Switzerland.  It has the longest barrel of the present crop of 30mm cannon (which means essentially one of the highest muzzle velocity [1030m/sec] ).  It fires the same round as the GAU-8 (30173mm).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 11:39:22 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG.

You got me stumped.  Whatz "KCA" ?

It's a type of cannon By Oerlikon of Switzerland.  It has the longest barrel of the present crop of 30mm cannon (which means essentially one of the highest muzzle velocity [1030m/sec] ).  It fires the same round as the GAU-8 (30173mm).

Cool, I can go with that! 8)

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2013, 07:44:32 AM »
More discussion.
Cobra 3bbl 20mm fits in small turret.  Figure is good to fit M3 turret.
Would 25mm Bushmaster or 30mm KCA also fit and fire ?
Seems long KCA barrel needs more support than Stuart provides.

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2013, 08:44:51 AM »
Fit an external barrel support.  They are used on various weapons, including the Jordanian Scorpions fitted with a 30mm cannon.   They also prevent barrel whip or droop (although droop usually sorts itself out, with the barrel straightening as the round fires).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2013, 01:17:31 PM »
Or re-design the turret to be both more supportive of the barrel & more resistant to incoming fire (angled sides, rather than flat).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2013, 07:30:44 PM »
Re- think: how about two pods of ATGWs on the sides of the turret and the 37mm replace by a 40mm AGL to keep the enemy infantry teams away?
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