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A-12 Flying Dorito
« on: January 11, 2012, 09:16:17 PM »
...Or the Avenger II, if you're feeling official.

This is one of my favorite Whifs/NeverWas and will eventually be one of my projects - I'm planning to go with a lot of plasticard for the airframe and lots of parts from a donor Revellogram F-14 for the cockpit, landing gear/bays and possibly the intakes/exhausts as well. Oh, and I also plan to put in a rotary launcher for the things that go "boom".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-12_Avenger_II

Mine, of course, will be in USMC markings derived from one of the A-6 Intruder squadrons.

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 09:49:16 PM »
The more I hear about it, the more I think it'd need a drastically different contract to have a chance of succeeding.  As 'twas, there were enough technical and coordination problems (between GD and McAir) to ensure a rather problematic development.  The basic concept was/is sound but the implementation, from everything I've heard, was not well done.

You could, I imagine, use Anigrand's 1/72 kit as a reference for doing a 1/48 A-12.  Of course, much of the radar development was supposed to be covered under A-6F development/evolution and that also came up dead (between problems with P&W's second source building of the F404 and with Boeing's new wing, that's understandable).  I should not that it wasn't that the new wing wasn't good, it's just that it was sufficiently different from the original wing to cause fuselage structural problems.

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 02:19:33 AM »
I plan to do my 1/48 Collect-aire one as a retro schemed one.
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 03:18:15 AM »
I plan to do my 1/48 Collect-aire one as a retro schemed one.

How retro?

1930s, WWII, Korea or Vietnam?

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 04:05:24 AM »
I plan to do my 1/48 Collect-aire one as a retro schemed one.

How retro?

1930s, WWII, Korea or Vietnam?

 8)

Not sure.  I was originally thinking WWII but the '30s idea is attractive.
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 02:08:45 AM »
Please post pics, would love to see how you do it Lemon  :)
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 05:12:58 AM »
...Or the Avenger II, if you're feeling official.

This is one of my favorite Whifs/NeverWas and will eventually be one of my projects - I'm planning to go with a lot of plasticard for the airframe and lots of parts from a donor Revellogram F-14 for the cockpit, landing gear/bays and possibly the intakes/exhausts as well. Oh, and I also plan to put in a rotary launcher for the things that go "boom".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-12_Avenger_II

Mine, of course, will be in USMC markings derived from one of the A-6 Intruder squadrons.



    Did one in 144th using a b-58 hustler wing section, lots of styrene stock for inlets and exhausts and a discarded F-15 nose and landing gear. The result is a bit pointier than the pure isoceles triangle A-12, but it still looks pretty good and I wanted a higher speed whif version in any case (and that's the story I'm sticking to!). With a bit more care , you can hit the 45 degree sweep if you want to though.

 




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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 09:24:49 AM »
Please post pics, would love to see how you do it Lemon  :)

When I start this one, I will definitely post pics, plus probably be screaming for help in trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Russ, that's a great digi scheme on your Avenger! You are my flying wing inspiration/guru/hero.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2012, 09:27:03 AM by LemonJello »

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 12:46:21 PM »
Might be fun to guesstimate, from later published design efforts, the competing Northrop-Grumman design (from before they merged).  I suspect a cross between the diamond-shaped UCAV that appeared on another thread here and this cockpit would be a reasonable approximation; that or a similar cross with a X-47 or X-47B shape.

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 03:04:57 PM »
I am sure that I have seen one painted up as a Doritos.
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 12:16:04 PM »
I am sure that I have seen one painted up as a Doritos.
-chuckle-  That should be Dorito, the singular, rather than Doritos (as in a whole bag or handful of), the plural.  On the other hand, painted as an aircraft full of Doritos would be unique.

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 01:49:49 PM »
Bah!  Blame my iPad's spellchecker!!! :icon_twisted:
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 01:43:07 AM »
I am sure that I have seen one painted up as a Doritos.
-chuckle-  That should be Dorito, the singular, rather than Doritos (as in a whole bag or handful of), the plural.  On the other hand, painted as an aircraft full of Doritos would be unique.

Or, in an attempt to reduce the deficit, DoD starts painting the underside of aircraft used in pre-game flyovers with the logos of sponsors/corporations, so the A-12 would fly looking like a bag of Doritos? I could see it happening...

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 02:41:43 AM »
I wonder ...do one up as a KA-12 tanker?
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2012, 03:24:09 AM »
Looking forward to seeing this one, I've always thought it was a very appealing aircraft. Just looks cool!  :)
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2018, 01:11:02 AM »


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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2018, 04:56:56 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2018, 06:19:09 AM »
Via Facebook. Probably fan art.

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2018, 01:17:43 PM »
With the injection moulded plastic kit coming soon the above moto image could become an affordable reality. 

Many thanks again to GTX for buying the resin A-12 resin slab and making this a reality!  :)
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2018, 09:36:18 PM »
With the injection moulded plastic kit coming soon the above moto image could become an affordable reality. 
Alas, it's not in The One True Scale™ :P

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2018, 09:44:17 PM »
With the injection moulded plastic kit coming soon the above moto image could become an affordable reality. 
Alas, it's not in The One True Scale™ :P

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2018, 10:31:50 PM »
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2018, 03:21:36 AM »
With the injection moulded plastic kit coming soon the above moto image could become an affordable reality. 
Alas, it's not in The One True Scale™ :P

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2018, 03:22:03 AM »
Need to see a RAAF one.
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2018, 05:39:52 AM »
So I'm thinking ---- the Avro Vulcan started off with near perfect triangular wing, but then the leading and trailing edges got changed because of one reason or another.  Do you think that the A-12 would go the same route ?

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2018, 10:16:12 AM »
So I'm thinking ---- the Avro Vulcan started off with near perfect triangular wing, but then the leading and trailing edges got changed because of one reason or another.  Do you think that the A-12 would go the same route ?
Probably not, unless they made some breakthroughs in low-observable materials.  The need to reduce RCS is what drives the shape.

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2018, 02:24:45 AM »
Agreed.  Given the importance of exterior shaping to the low observability, external shape changes would only occur if it gave an improvement in this regard.
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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2018, 03:43:13 AM »
Thanks Evan, Greg  ---

I'll strike that idea off the 'Plan'

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2018, 04:46:11 AM »
How about a Wedgetail version ?

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Re: A-12 Flying Dorito
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2018, 09:58:14 AM »
How about a Wedgetail version ?
You'd need a very different antenna housing.  I'm thinking that something like an inverted TSSAM basic shape (rather the part in front of the wings mirrored aft for a symmetrical shape) could work since that would be close to the general shape of Tacit Blue which was intended to carry an LPI version of what became the J-STARS radar.