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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2014, 12:00:38 PM »
Apparently there is a (private?) venture prototyped from the barebone of an UH-1B and then evaluated by the armies of US and then RoK.

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One pilot, three (one in the tandem cockpit, two in the aft portion of the troop compartment) gunners, and six passengers; weapons include four trainable 7.62mm machineguns and two stub wings with hardpoints.

The builder went down after the end of Cold War, and the prototype was sold off and offered by its new owner as a movie prop under the name "Stealth Star".

Well since the prototype was built on a short-bodied UH-1B, a natural what-if would then be one based on the longer-bodied UH-1H......
« Last Edit: December 22, 2014, 12:11:16 PM by dy031101 »
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2014, 12:21:03 PM »
Is cool  8)

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2014, 01:24:17 PM »
Apparently there is a (private?) venture prototyped from the barebone of an UH-1B and then evaluated by the armies of US and then RoK.

American Aircraft "Penetrator"

One pilot, three (one in the tandem cockpit, two in the aft portion of the troop compartment) gunners, and six passengers; weapons include four trainable 7.62mm machineguns and two stub wings with hardpoints.

The builder went down after the end of Cold War, and the prototype was sold off and offered by its new owner as a movie prop under the name "Stealth Star".

Well since the prototype was built on a short-bodied UH-1B, a natural what-if would then be one based on the longer-bodied UH-1H......

Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2014, 01:06:43 AM »

A guy I worked with at Boeing in the late '90s, Igor Kulikov, had been part of the design/build team for that critter.
He was always carrying a notebook full of various ideas, and he has had a few different websites, here is his most
recent:
http://airdevlab.com

However, I don't recall him say anything about actual evals by the US military.

According to LinkedIn Igor currently works at BAE Systems
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kulikovigor
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2014, 08:42:38 AM »
Useful bit of info for anyone planning a 1/72nd scale build: the Italeri AB-212 kit also includes almost all the parts for the 4-bladed AB-412 rotor as well. The only thing lacking is the revised rotor mast, but that looks scratchable from Evergreen and brass tube/rod.
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2014, 04:08:36 AM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2014, 11:44:21 PM »
I was reading something this evening on Australia's Iroquois, what was particularly interesting was that initially the type was solely intended for search and rescue and army support was only added after the selection had been made and orders placed.  At this time the army, while very keen to substantially grow their organic airpower, were limited (by legislation / policy / regulation?) to a maximum weight of aircraft permitted, effectively preventing the operation of utility helicopters let alone anything larger.

At the time the Iroquois was ordered the RAN was actually the most experienced rotary wing operator with the RAAF having almost no experience and the army having none.  It is extremely fortunate that the RAAF decided to expand the intended missions of their new helicopters to include army support otherwise the ADF could have been left without any tactical air support at all. 

Of interest is that the RAN initially selected the Wessex as their SAR type but following the decision to use the Wessex as an ASW platform the FAA acquired UH-1Bs and Cs for the SAR role instead.  I wonder, in hindsight, if the  RAAF should have retained the SAR role, maybe added CSAR and even SOF support, with a larger more capable type, while the army took control of the support and utility roles twenty five years earlier.

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2014, 11:54:41 PM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......
Go really big and base it on a 214ST. :)

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2014, 12:34:08 PM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").

I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......
Go really big and base it on a 214ST. :)

Yeah Baby, now we're talkin'.  :)
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2014, 01:19:59 PM »
Base it on a UH-1N or a civil Model 412 For the extra engine power and the availability of twin engines (PT6T "TwinPac").


I was thinking of basing it on Bell 214A, if only to see how much of its outline gets preserved.  Granted, LTC4B-8D seems pretty large, too......

Go really big and base it on a 214ST. :)


Yeah Baby, now we're talkin'.  :)


I kinda hope it wouldn't end up as big as an AH-64 though......  ???

The passenger compartment is accessed via ramp-style doors...... at least after the chopper is reconfigured as Stealth Star.  Think it might complicate troop fast-roping?
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2015, 01:57:56 PM »
An interesting weapon mount I hadn't seen before - the XM140 30mm cannon:



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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2015, 05:33:31 PM »
That's completely feral! :icon_surprised:

Do they rotate down to give extra lift on take-off? ;D
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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2015, 10:10:43 PM »
christ its a vtol ed209  8)

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2015, 02:07:10 AM »
Some more shots:








BTW, the quick amongst you will note that the XM-140 was also planned for the AH-56:

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Re: Bell UH-1 Iroquois/Huey et al
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2015, 02:35:57 AM »
Another interesting one - this time a UH-1B with 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS.820

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