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Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« on: January 11, 2012, 09:37:35 AM »
Another subject that does not get as much attention as it deserves.  With a coulple of the Revell 1/48th scale B-One kits in the stash I would like to have a space large enough to display one if it ever gets built.  Until then, I can at least think about what I can do with the kit that does not entail building it straight out of the box in accordance with the kit instructions. 

One of the options I have considered is a U.S. Navy version that would be assigned to a VPB(H) squadron which in this case is an abbreviation for Fixed Wing (V)-Patrol (P)-Bomber (B)-Heavy (H).  Colors would probably be similar to the TPS scheme or in that theme for a sea control maritime surveillance mission among other things.   

With three full weapons bays you can certainly add a lot of ordnance or a couple of auxiliary fuel tanks and a rotary launcher.  For the bolder modeler out there that has no fear there is the conventional weapons module that looks like the top half of the auxiliary fuel tank with bomb racks mounted on the underside that could be fabricated from plastic card and a lot of imagination.  As for myself, I will probably stick with something simple like a rotary launcher with AGM-84 Harpoons and fuel tanks. 


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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 10:35:52 AM »
Beyond the usual suspects of created profiles (eg: RAF, CAF, etc), I've always like the idea of the FB-1 concept.  Heavy air dominance platform with AAMs of various types out the ying-yang or EB-1 'Ultra Wild Weasel', once again, ARMs & CBUs of all varieties and plenty o' them.

I do like the Navy idea though, one I hadn't thought of.

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 11:07:08 AM »
I have one of these 1/48 monsters in the stash as well, I tend to pick up bits and pieces for it as I come across deals (SAC metal landing gear, and a set of resin afterburners are rattling around with all that plastic).  I could see one with AAMs on TERs or MERs external to the bomb bays, or you could have the rotary launchers with a mix of AAM, AGM, smart and iron bombs for a real multi-role/multi-mission capability.

Imagine a pair of Bones operating together in the SEAD or Iron Hand mission!

Oh, and this beast would not be getting the digi-cammo treatment from me, either.

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 12:50:14 PM »
How about a "Pathfinder" version with a mix of SRAM II's, ACM's, and long-range ARM's (AGM-76, perhaps?)  to open the way for other bombers to follow. 

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 04:58:58 PM »
I have one of these 1/48 monsters in the stash as well, I tend to pick up bits and pieces for it as I come across deals (SAC metal landing gear, and a set of resin afterburners are rattling around with all that plastic).  I could see one with AAMs on TERs or MERs external to the bomb bays, or you could have the rotary launchers with a mix of AAM, AGM, smart and iron bombs for a real multi-role/multi-mission capability.

Imagine a pair of Bones operating together in the SEAD or Iron Hand mission!

Oh, and this beast would not be getting the digi-cammo treatment from me, either.

The weight of that Revell B-One certainly warrants consideration of using the SAC metal landing gear. 

Maybe find enough excess Phoenix pallets to mount a dozen or so AIM-54 externally on either side of the weapons bays?  That would be one way to address the carriage of air to air missiles. 

It would certainly lose that sleek looking appearance with all of the extra weapons mounted externally.  The Monogram 1/72nd scale kit had a bunch of cruise missiles and some very generic looking weapons pylons for each of these shapes that were to be mounted along side of the weapons bays.

How about a "Pathfinder" version with a mix of SRAM II's, ACM's, and long-range ARM's (AGM-76, perhaps?)  to open the way for other bombers to follow.
 

Have definitely thought about that off and on.  Wanted to use AGM-78 Standard ARM but that requires a special adapter so carrying it internally would not work.  Mounting it externally would be the only way to go and that sort of defeats that low radar return if you start hanging corner reflectors all over the aircraft.  Must have been around the same time as I was rationalizing this that the idea for a conventionally armed AGM-69 started looking like a really good idea.  Easy enough to do just by painting a yellow band around the missile body where the warhead is located and maybe painting the missile in a light gray instead of the traditional white that was used for this weapon. 

The AGM-76 option does sound interesting but that would require a different launcher adapter that is not going to allow you to just drop the missile from the weapons bay, it would have to be carried externally.  So more corner reflectors again.  That conventional SRAM still looks like the best option to me. 
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 05:21:03 PM »
Satellite launcher?

Fixed wing?
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 08:55:59 PM »
I like both the pathfinder and the maritime strike versions - now use one of those for a dio - Bone sitting on the tarmac with a bomb trolley of three rotary launchers pulling up to install in the bomb bays (your choice of ordnance) with a crew running out to the bird from an underground bunker or maybe a couple of vehicles?

Also, why not paint one up in your favorite airline livery and make it a SST? The bomb bays are converted to luxury travel suites.

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 09:39:03 PM »
One other thought for the Pathfinder version, Skybolts on external hardpoints and ACMs internally (or, if not Skybolts, perhaps retro-engineered Kh-41 clones?).  The AGM-76 (q.v.) was a proposed air-to-ground ARM derivative of the AIM-47 and I could see it being used by the Pathfinder with continuing upgrades in seeker, rocket motor, and warhead.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 05:47:18 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 06:57:00 AM »
Oh, no...  :o

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2012, 07:13:05 AM »
One other thought for the Pathfinder version, Skybolts on external hardpoints and ACMs internally (or, if not Skybolts, perhaps retro-engineered Kh-41 clones?).  The AGM-76 (q.v.) was a proposed air-to-ground ARM derivative of the AIM-47 and I could see it being used by the Pathfinder with continuing upgrades in seeker, rocket motor, and warhead.


Wicked idea.  Mounting a couple of Douglas AGM-48 (GAM-87) Skybolt ASM on the B-One would certainly be interesting.  Maybe with conformal carriage of some sort.  Might be a good way to use a couple of 1/32nd scale Phoenix pallets from an F-14 kit to make the couple of conformal carriage mounts along the edge of the weapons bay doors.  I have a couple of candidate missile shapes in the desired length to width ratio that might pass for a Skybolt when fins are added.  Just need someone to donate the 1/32nd scale Phoenix pallets to see if this would work. 
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2012, 09:20:44 AM »
Many years ago I did have the idea of B-1 with the engine installation off the Boeing Supercruiser.

The intakes have an 'S' shape to slow the air down, but it also stops radar from seeing the face of the by-pass fan.
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2012, 08:34:37 PM »
Fair warning: I haven't had my coffee yet...

Bone with forward sweep wings? At full forward sweep, you'd have a delta planform much like the Concorde.

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2012, 10:01:31 PM »
For "pathfinder", and "continental defender" (anti-shipping, air dominance patrol plane), I would propose antoher feature: long fence on back, starting behind cockpit, and going to the tail. I would house or ECM equipment for "pathfinder", or side-looking radar for "defender"

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2012, 09:31:02 AM »
For "pathfinder", and "continental defender" (anti-shipping, air dominance patrol plane), I would propose antoher feature: long fence on back, starting behind cockpit, and going to the tail. I would house or ECM equipment for "pathfinder", or side-looking radar for "defender"
That was done on B-1A No. 4 and the equipment moved into the aircraft with the redesign to the B-1B.  It would still look plausible, but I think there's better ways to accomodate either set of equipment.

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2013, 07:49:41 AM »
Just wanted to share with this with you guys.  Its a patch I designed for a current B-1B flight instructor for his students.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2013, 09:40:57 AM »
Just wanted to share with this with you guys.  Its a patch I designed for a current B-1B flight instructor for his students.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/Artwork/B-1BPatchWeb.jpg


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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2013, 07:59:08 PM »
Just wanted to share with this with you guys.  Its a patch I designed for a current B-1B flight instructor for his students.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/Artwork/B-1BPatchWeb.jpg


Thats very good.  I think I'd have preferred the word "there" instead of "here", though.

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2013, 03:53:48 PM »
I always thought the B-1 would be a good electronic warfare platform.

The internal volume is there for all kinds of jamming goodies and I imagine you could get most of them in without the need to clutter up the lines with any major lumps and bumps.

Mind you, the crews would likely take to nicknaming it "Electro-Bone". If the sense of humour I've seen typical to military women is followed, I can only imagine the sort of nose art an all female crew might come up with for that. It might preclude ever seeing one in the static park of an airshow.  ;D
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 02:34:18 AM »
Oh dear... :-[
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2013, 07:12:38 AM »
Considering the recent release of the photograph of the fast boat target being taken out by a 2000lb LGB dropped by a B-1B, the obvious role would be Maritime Patrol Bomber. 

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2013, 04:10:35 AM »
One done by SentinelChicken a while back:



It could almost have happened... ;)
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2013, 05:05:02 AM »
Considering the recent release of the photograph of the fast boat target being taken out by a 2000lb LGB dropped by a B-1B, the obvious role would be Maritime Patrol Bomber.


I had to look for this.  Found it:
http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/17/gbu-10-boat/#.Ujy4K5DD-fA

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2013, 06:18:42 AM »
A few years ago, a B-1 visitor to Calgary International (it couldn't land at Lethbridge Airport for the airshow there so over-nighted in Calgary) had to stay for a lot longer than planned.  It seems that the pilot was too eager to get the wings swung forward for take-off, he did it while taxiing around the perimeter track ---  which didn't have enough space to the perimeter fence ---- It took down about a hundred yards of the fence plus a good portion of the wing tip     :-X

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2013, 10:12:58 AM »
One done by SentinelChicken a while back:



It could almost have happened... ;)


 ;D I love that one, who needs a super duper F-111 when you have a Bone!

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2013, 03:26:03 AM »
Well, the rumour is that back in the early 90's (I believe) some were offered to both Australia and the UK...
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2013, 04:21:29 AM »
Still waiting for someone to suggest the B-One R dedicated reconnaissance variant :)
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2013, 08:06:16 PM »
Well, the rumour is that back in the early 90's (I believe) some were offered to both Australia and the UK...
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2013, 10:21:13 AM »
Still waiting for someone to suggest the B-One R dedicated reconnaissance variant :)


There is the BONE-R proposal with the R standing for "Regional" :



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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2013, 02:41:11 PM »
Still waiting for someone to suggest the B-One R dedicated reconnaissance variant :)

There is the BONE-R proposal with the R standing for "Regional" :



"Regional"?

Sounds like an airliner variant...which could be pretty cool...

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2013, 12:27:55 AM »
Lancer Liner


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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2013, 01:36:25 PM »
Looks cool, but I hate to think of the burden this would put on stressed-out cabin personnel, always rushing to calm down frightened passengers yelling "THE WINGS ARE COMING OFF!" every time they're altering wing sweep.  ;D
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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2013, 02:23:08 PM »
Why not combine Air Dom and Pathfinder into one load-out? You've got plenty of space and tonnage... just the thing to carve a big enough hole for the B-52 force to get through en masse.

Then there's the matter of popping those pesky subs and ICBMs, especially those nasty road/rail-mobile buggers, before anybody has a chance to push their local Little Red Button... mobile command posts, whether surface or air, the pathfinder Bones oughtta be able to tackle.

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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2013, 01:02:46 AM »
Fixed geometry Lancer. Lighter, sturdier, best performance, ...  ;) :)

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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2013, 01:17:39 AM »
Fixed geometry Lancer. Lighter, sturdier, best performance, ...  ;) :)



Now, that is pretty bad-@$$. 

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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2013, 05:25:10 AM »
Wicked!  >:D
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« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2013, 01:44:33 PM »
Agreed with the above! That is really cool!
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2014, 08:48:42 AM »
Neat B-1 whif on HyperScale - LINK(with more pics)


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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2014, 12:29:54 AM »
Rotary Aim-54s  :-* Thats a fine BONER, no two ways about it.
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« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2014, 04:11:32 AM »
Random thought:  scale-o-rama 1/72 B-1B into 1/48 platform. Maybe give it a two man crew in tandem arrangement (F-14 or F-15B/D/E or similar cockpit?) plus two engines rather than four.  Should result in a platform that would be slightly larger than a F-111.  Maybe do as either a competitor to or replacement for the F-111?
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2014, 04:13:36 AM »
Neat B-1 whif on HyperScale - LINK(with more pics)



Wasn't there something similar to this in some of the Dale Brown novels?
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2014, 07:33:12 AM »
^ In terms of armament, yes. Not so sure about the airframe mods, though. Last Brown novel I read was Battle Born. Musta been about 10 years or so ago. Don't remember whether the "‹berfortress" (don't remember the actual name) had a butterfly tail.

Love the scale-o-rama idea. Maybe couple it with ysi-maniac's fixed wing idea.  :)
With a fixed wing, I wonder about putting the engines into the wing roots, H.P. Victor-style....
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« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2014, 11:19:06 AM »
Rotary Aim-54s  :-* Thats a fine BONER, no two ways about it.
Moto-Bone[R] ;)

The V-tail certainly sets it apart from the regular B-Ones. 

That is one impressive weapons load too. 
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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2016, 11:25:20 AM »

Comparing various kits, found B-36 wings are decent match to B-1 fuselage.  Plastic surgery is necessary but looks doable.
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2016, 06:50:20 PM »
Brilliant!!
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2016, 02:05:05 AM »
Would open up front and rear of engines to become jets.

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2016, 07:38:50 AM »
Paging back, both the ysi-manic configurations are sweet  :)
And both could built in styrene.
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2016, 07:47:37 AM »
A long, long time ago, I played with the notion of a direct scaled-down version of the B-1B as an F-111 replacement.
It used two instead of four F101 turbofans, crew of two, two weapons bays (instead of three). I'll attempt to find my paperwork (yes, it was so long ago, that it was pre PC days for me!  :o)

From memory it was just a smidgen larger and heavier than the F-111, but in essence, I think such a design would have been very effective in terms of cost, performance and capability! In essence it was a straight out mini-B-1B!

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2016, 05:14:06 AM »
random idea:  fixed FSW
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2017, 05:11:52 PM »
MDD contender to B-1


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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2017, 02:44:37 AM »
Looking good  :smiley:
Hmmm....    That work with 1/72 B-1 and 1/48 F-4 ?

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2017, 03:32:48 PM »
^^^^^
B-1 1/144
F-4 1/72

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2017, 07:04:46 PM »
That's fantastic!  8)
Ysi, how about swapping the 1/144 B-1 cockpit for a 1/72 F-4 Phantom cockpit?
Got something similar planned with a 1/144 B-1 and a 1/72 F-15, but the Phantom wings look too damn cool. I thought about podded engines as on the Concorde. I think they even had quite similar proposals for what would eventually be the F-14 and F-15.
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2017, 01:39:01 AM »
MDD contender to B-1



Very nice!  Though I'd expect an option with a scaled F-15 wing, too.

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2017, 01:26:35 PM »
Fixed geometry Lancer. Lighter, sturdier, best performance, ...  ;) :)



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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2018, 06:31:00 PM »
U.S. Patent 9,963,231 B2 was awarded on May 8th to Boeing. It depicts a number of cannon configurations that can be stowed in a B-1B's weapons bays and extended down outside of those bays for use.

(Yes I checked the the date. It's not April 1st)



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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2018, 09:03:36 PM »
Can the system be mounted on any weapons bay able to accept a CSRL? Because then this opens the door for B-52 and B-2 gunships too... >:D

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2018, 02:15:06 AM »
Cool!
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2018, 02:08:56 AM »
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2018, 10:44:19 PM »
I was inspired by a 1/144 scale B-1 Bomber next to some 1/72 scale fighters -- would be interesting to see a  "medium" bomber based on the B-1 design, similar in class to the F-111, perhaps a competitor back in the 60's. 

In this case, same layout as a B-1 but with two engines instead of four, and because of the layout you get a 2nd internal bay (versus the F-111's single bay).

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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2018, 04:40:52 AM »
Burncycle says:
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I was inspired by a 1/144 scale B-1 Bomber next to some 1/72 scale fighters -- would be interesting to see a  "medium" bomber based on the B-1 design, similar in class to the F-111, perhaps a competitor back in the 60's.

In this case, same layout as a B-1 but with two engines instead of four, and because of the layout you get a 2nd internal bay (versus the F-111's single bay).


Great idea!  Maybe try for two larger engines to replace the original four units.  Something from the F-35 perhaps?
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Re: Rockwell B-One (aka B-1 Lancer)
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2018, 09:12:03 AM »
Something like the FB-11H proposal, perhaps

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