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Offline Weaver

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The FAA go American
« on: July 22, 2013, 01:41:27 AM »
Okay, I'm in. I'm going with the "UK goes American early" idea that I explored in the ideas thread. The basic idea is that the UK government gets an early attack of realism just after WWII and decides to stop trying to do everything while it can still do so gracefully, rather than waiting for a rude shock to knock it off it's imperial perch.

One of the tough decisions is to cut all funding for jet carrier aircraft development, since the prediction is that RN carrier numbers will shrink sharply in the future, and there'll be nearly no export market to pay for them. The FAA are happy to go along with this, since they've been dependent of US aircraft for most of the war anyway. The aircraft selected is the Grumman F-9 Panther, since it can be built under licence in the UK with a British-built RR Nene and other UK components to soften the blow. The UK contractor is Gloster, since they've just lost the RAF night-fighter contract to the DH.110.....

I've got a boxless Hasegawa Panther with knackered decals that's therefore an ideal donor. Colour scheme will be high-demarcation EDSG over Sky, like an early Seahawk. The decal sheet was stuck to the instructions and is pretty much scrap as you can see. Unfortunately, the Hase kit relies on decals for it's instrument panel, but I think they might just be okay: if not, I'll have to get an etch set... ::)
I've got plenty of Seahawks to donate the rest of the decals.



I'm not going to get fancy with modifications on this one: the basic idea is to get something finished! The only thing I definately want to do is give it British-style 3" RPs rather than the US 5" ones that come with the kit. If I can get the build done quickly enough, I might do an FAA Grumman Tiger in the later Low Demarcation EDSG-over-white scheme as well: they can share the EDSG spraying!
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 02:57:30 AM by Weaver »
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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 02:38:06 AM »
Good idea!
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 06:57:13 PM »
 ;D

Offline Brian da Basher

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 03:57:12 AM »
It'll look aces in FAA colors!

Watching with interest,
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Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 07:12:47 PM »
Cheers folks!

Not much to show so far: just painting little bits and pieces. The cockpit decals worked, which is a relief.

I hate this phase: you've got all fired up to build a distinctive shape or colour of plane, then you have to get bogged down in making a fiddly little cockpit that looks exactly like every other cockpit.... ???
« Last Edit: July 24, 2013, 07:15:05 PM by Weaver »
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Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2013, 09:04:29 AM »
Argggh! How does the saying go? Assumption is the mother of all **** ups?

I assumed I could nick rockets and decals for the Panther from my collection of SIX Seahawk kits. Well so far the score is:

2 x Airfix kits: no rockets, yellowed/cracked decals
2 x Novo kits: no rockets, yellowed/cracked/rubbish decals
2 x Hobbyboss kits: nice rockets, but only got Indian and German markings......

So I'm now shopping for an aftermarket FAA decal sheet...... :-[
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Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2013, 06:43:53 AM »
Oooh, this is going so well..... not. :icon_punal:

Test-fitted all the bits to the fuselage halves - fine. Put glue on the fuselage halves, and the cokpit tub immediately refused to align properly. Eventually had to pull the front half apart to get it to sit on it's ledges properly, and then the business of getting glue back into a nearly closed seam has resulted in a gluey mess and fingerprints on the outside worthy of a 7 year old.... Luckily, there arn't many panel lines on the bottom of the nose, so sanding it back to presentable shouldn't be too much pain.

On the decals front, it looks like the only sheets on the market would leave me with LOTS of spare decals that I'd probably never use for LOTS of money: it's looking like the best option will be to go and buy an entire new Airfix Sea Hawk just to get the decal sheet..... ::)

EDIT : yay, got my rockets! I could have used the ones from the Hobbyboss kit, but they're only single layer, and I really wanted the stacked ones that I'd seen in some Sea Hawk pics. I just noticed a pic of a Frog/Novo Sea Venom on the web, and it had two pairs of exactly the rockets I wanted, and I remembered that I've got at least two of those kits, but I hadn't looked at them for rockets because they're night-fighters.... :-[

Anyway, dug them out and they're spot on.  :)


« Last Edit: July 26, 2013, 07:03:02 AM by Weaver »
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Offline Cliffy B

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2013, 07:27:58 AM »
Weaver, check your PMs RE decals  ;)
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Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 06:51:08 AM »
Okay, about enough progress for a pic. Fuselage is together with only minor trauma and the nose is on (and yes, it's full of weights). I've just had to do an intricate little scribing job to get the mounting holes for the British 3" RPs right as you can see. The exisiting holes were useful for estabishing the sideways spacing, but the fore-and-aft spacing had to be changed because the 3" mountings are far enough apart to intrude onto the leading edge fairing and that meant they had to be staggered to follow it's slight sweep, rather than all being in a line. The result, with two RPs on each of eight positions, should look pretty good.

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Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 09:05:40 AM »
And surprisingly shortly thereafter:



Have to say, you can slag off Hasegawa for high pricing 'til the cows come home with my blessing, but I am seriously impressed with the way this old kit fits together. I've built the Polish TS-11 Iskra kit, which is basically the same configuration, and I was dreading how much fettling and putty the wing/intake/fuselage junction was going to take, but it needed exactly none. Some of the joints between the intakes and the wings are indistinguishable from the scribed panel lines: I've seen Lego that didn't fit together as well.

 :) :) :)
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Offline Damian

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 09:43:16 AM »
Looking good so far!
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Offline Cliffy B

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 10:03:14 AM »
Hey man, what scale is this?  Looks like the 1/72 kit to me (have one in the stash) but I can't tell.

She's looking great man!  The Brit 3" RPs are a very nice touch   8)  Can't wait to see her in her war paint!
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Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 10:13:41 AM »
Cheers Cliffy: it's 1/72nd.

(Those'd be damned big Humbrol pots if it was 1/48th.... ;D :))
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Offline Cliffy B

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 10:20:30 AM »
(Those'd be damned big Humbrol pots if it was 1/48th.... ;D :))

So they are! Honestly I didn't even see them....  ;D
"Radials growl, inlines purr, jets blow!"  -Anonymous

"Helos don't fly.  They vibrate so violently that the ground rejects them."  -Tom Clancy

"If all else fails, call in an air strike."  -Anonymous

Offline Weaver

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Re: The FAA go American
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 06:48:16 PM »
Y'know Comrade, this is the sort of thing that can make you seriously reconsider your philosophical commitment to Marxist-Leninism....



 >:D >:D >:D
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"I've jazzed mine up a bit" - Spike Milligan

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