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Offline Litvyak

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2013, 10:59:24 AM »
Canadian options from the competition that led to the Hornet - F-16, Mirage F.1, Tornado, F-18L, F-15...

Wasn't the Viggen chucked into that ring briefly as well?


... now I need to put a CAF Viggen on my list of future projects...
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Offline Dr. YoKai

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 11:20:18 PM »
 Not inspiration per se, but Squadron.com is having a whopping big sale until the 27th - and I
 noticed that the 'Stratos 4' version of the TSR 2 is available at a fair mark-down.

Offline kitnut617

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2013, 01:45:45 AM »
Canada shoulda bought Eagles!



Nice!  :)  now I know what I'll do my 1/48 Eagle as ---

Just a mention though Moritz, the Hornets were designated CF-188, maybe the Eagle would have been a CF-155 (that would mean that the CT-155 Hawk would have had to be a CT-156 or 7 later though)

Offline Litvyak

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2013, 05:25:41 AM »
CF-150 would also have been available back then!
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Offline Dr. YoKai

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2013, 02:38:24 AM »
Speaking of inspiration, does anybody have plan views for the Armstrong Whitworth AW .171 Supersonic VTOL project? I thought
there was a set back at What-If, but I can't find 'em now...I'm thinking about taking a crack at that pointy beuaty in 1/48th...

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2013, 02:45:29 AM »
This one?



This is the best I have:



All hail the God of Frustration!!!

Offline perttime

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2013, 04:32:04 AM »
I can think of a few nations that really Should have bought F-20s ... and perhaps even more nations that Should have taken the chance and bought the - at the time - untried SAAB Gripen.

... it Could have happened that the invention of workable jet engines Would have been delayed another 10 years , or so. Supermarine 391, DH Vampire with an RR Eagle, DH Hornet beefed up to carry Griffon engines...

Offline Dr. YoKai

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 09:52:21 AM »
That'll work - Thanks, Greg!

Offline Weaver

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2013, 10:00:34 AM »
You can make a Coulda Woulda Shoulda argument for the RAF buying F-14s or F-15s instead of Tornado ADVs. There were good reasons why they chose not to at the time the decision was made (mid 1970s) but the debate was a real one: see Battle Flight for details.

Some more:

Britain buys US-built F-86s in 1950 (rather than Canadian ones in 1953) so that the RAF can go to Korea, then develops and builds the Avon-Sabre as a joint British/Aussie project (use a Special Hobby F-86H as the basis of the model). Combine this with the FAA going Grumman (see other posts) and you have Hawker reduced to a licenced producer of other people's designs.

At the time of the F-16 sale to the Netherlands/Belgium/Norway/Denmark consortium, the British proposal was for a 50/50 split between Jaguars for strike and Mirage F1-53s (M53 engine) for air defence. What if the consortium had decided that buying European was more important and actually gone for this option?

Buccaneer shouldas: RAF (stretched with afterburners and bogie u/c instead of TSR.2 in 1960), Germany (Marineflieger at least: they were interested), Australia, India....
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Offline buzzbomb

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 01:03:55 PM »


Buccaneer shouldas: RAF (stretched with afterburners and bogie u/c instead of TSR.2 in 1960), Germany (Marineflieger at least: they were interested), Australia, India....


Like these ;)




Now India.. there is one Whiffer Bucc I have not done...hmmmmm 8)

Offline Volkodav

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »
The USN Bucc looks right, very very believable

Offline Weaver

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2013, 07:26:53 PM »
Those are great Buzzbomb: the Marineflieger Bucc is so "shoulda" it hurts, doesn't it? (Hawker Siddeley had a serious go at that, but their salesmen wern't in the same league as Lockheed's and they got absolutely no help from HMG either....  >:D)

An Indian Bucc makes sense to me: they have a clear anti-shipping requirement (look at the Jaguar Ms) and the "nuclear bomber" issue obviously wasn't a showstopper when we sold them Canberra B(I).8s.
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 08:31:39 PM »
You can make a Coulda Woulda Shoulda argument for the RAF buying F-14s or F-15s instead of Tornado ADVs. There were good reasons why they chose not to at the time the decision was made (mid 1970s) but the debate was a real one: see Battle Flight for details.

Some more:

Britain buys US-built F-86s in 1950 (rather than Canadian ones in 1953) so that the RAF can go to Korea, then develops and builds the Avon-Sabre as a joint British/Aussie project (use a Special Hobby F-86H as the basis of the model). Combine this with the FAA going Grumman (see other posts) and you have Hawker reduced to a licenced producer of other people's designs.

At the time of the F-16 sale to the Netherlands/Belgium/Norway/Denmark consortium, the British proposal was for a 50/50 split between Jaguars for strike and Mirage F1-53s (M53 engine) for air defence. What if the consortium had decided that buying European was more important and actually gone for this option?

Buccaneer shouldas: RAF (stretched with afterburners and bogie u/c instead of TSR.2 in 1960), Germany (Marineflieger at least: they were interested), Australia, India....

RN gets CVA 1, 2 & 3 then needs to replace the F-4K with something that can fly from a carrier in the late 80s, enter the RR Spey (enhanced) powered F-14K.  RAF gets annoyed that the FAA can run rings around them and cans the ADV in favour of something hotter....

One Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda I keep coming back to is the Hawker Henley, the RAF should have ordered it and in addition the RN should have developed the Hurricane and Henley as replacements for the Nimrod and Osprey.

Offline Weaver

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »
Going back to the 1930s, one "shoulda" might be the RAF ordering a radial-engined monoplane fighter instead of buying too many Gladiators. The Gloster F.5/34 would be ideal, and would form the basis of a useful naval fighter too. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2013, 02:18:48 AM »
Going back to the 1930s, one "shoulda" might be the RAF ordering a radial-engined monoplane fighter instead of buying too many Gladiators. The Gloster F.5/34 would be ideal, and would form the basis of a useful naval fighter too. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34


There is actually a 1/72 kit (if you are into that deviant scale) available too:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!