Author Topic: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)  (Read 19160 times)

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2019, 03:44:48 AM »
A question about LAU-10 FFAR pods.

Are they always painted white (or maybe it's a very light grey) ?  Have they ever been seen painted a green colour ?

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2019, 02:16:06 AM »
I've never seen other than white/grey.  You could always do a field mod though...
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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2019, 03:40:39 AM »
Thanks Greg, I agree with you, all the photos I can find show they're white/grey colour.

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2019, 07:37:19 PM »
Here's a thought, a podded Molins Gun

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2019, 02:13:46 AM »
Here's a thought, a podded Molins Gun


Given it wasn't exactly small:




one would presumably be looking at a big pod.  Maybe a bit like these:


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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2019, 08:52:10 AM »
Did germans produce or study during WWII, an airborne gun between 20 mm and 30 mm? I mean 25 or 27.5 mm or so. Kind of an ancestor of Mauser BK-27
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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2019, 11:51:31 AM »
Did germans produce or study during WWII, an airborne gun between 20 mm and 30 mm? I mean 25 or 27.5 mm or so. Kind of an ancestor of Mauser BK-27

Not that I am aware of.  However, this is whiff-world so there is nothing stopping you postulating that they did...

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2019, 10:54:28 PM »
I wonder if the Molins loader could have been designed annular, so it could wrap around the breach instead of piling it all up on top like that.

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2019, 03:16:43 AM »
Looking at the Hs129 further makes me wonder if one could do a similar arrangement on a Beaufighter.
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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2019, 10:50:54 AM »
If they could - barely - make it work on the Hs 129, getting it to work on the Beau should be a piece of cake.  :smiley:
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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2019, 02:04:20 AM »
Real World trial with twin 40mm cannon:




And one from one of our own:


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Offline tankmodeler

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2019, 03:11:58 AM »
I wonder if the Molins loader could have been designed annular, so it could wrap around the breach instead of piling it all up on top like that.
It's likely a lot easier. I'm pretty sure the Mollins loader was designed to fit the aircraft, i.e. the pilot, fuselage size and CofG considerations needed to put the system into an existing aircraft.

The A-10 went the other way and essentially built the aircraft around the gun.

Designing a podded gun and feed system to be an optimum pod is very likely (bound, to be, really) easier than fitting it into a pre-existing aircraft.

Paul

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2019, 01:31:38 PM »
I wonder if the Molins loader could have been designed annular, so it could wrap around the breach instead of piling it all up on top like that.
It's likely a lot easier. I'm pretty sure the Mollins loader was designed to fit the aircraft, i.e. the pilot, fuselage size and CofG considerations needed to put the system into an existing aircraft.

The A-10 went the other way and essentially built the aircraft around the gun.

Designing a podded gun and feed system to be an optimum pod is very likely (bound, to be, really) easier than fitting it into a pre-existing aircraft.

Paul

Mollins were, IIRC a cigarette machine manufacturer.  In otherwords, they designed machines that rolled and encased cigarettes.   I am sure they could redesign their autoloader quite easily to what ever shape the customer wanted.  I personally like the German 75mm loader pictured up above on the Hs129.  Circular but not annular as such.

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2019, 02:13:02 AM »
Mollins were, IIRC a cigarette machine manufacturer.  In otherwords, they designed machines that rolled and encased cigarettes.   I am sure they could redesign their autoloader quite easily to what ever shape the customer wanted.  I personally like the German 75mm loader pictured up above on the Hs129.  Circular but not annular as such.
Pretty sure you're right about Mollins.

As to a pod ammo system, I could see a "snail" drum of ammo coiling in towards the centre of the pod with a central operating rod driven by recoil that as the gun returns to battery pushes the next round from the end of the snail and offers it into the breech before being fired, ejecting the casing under recoil and then cycling the ammo feed system again. Could be relatively simple. I think? The German system rotates the ammo drum, but a fixed ammo snail would be simpler and allow more rounds. Might need something like a MG belt link or spacers in the snail rails, mind, to keep the rounds aligned in the snail.

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Re: Aircraft Weapons Systems (Gun Pods, Rockets, etc.)
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2019, 08:17:32 AM »
Mollins were, IIRC a cigarette machine manufacturer...

Molins still exists: https://www.molins.com/en/about-us/our-history

Oddly, no mention of the Molins Class M gun in their history section.
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