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Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« on: April 30, 2013, 09:17:59 AM »
Thought we could do with one for Chinooks, but might as well expand it to Sea Knights, Belvederes, Yak-24s etc..., so here you go, a place for all your twin egg-whisk ideas.  :)

What prompted me were a couple of things that led to a couple more things:

1. Has there ever been a proposal for a skinny-fuselage flying crane version of the Chook, a la CH-54 Tarhe? if not, then this is something whiffdom could recify.....

EDIT: yes there was - see here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,565.15.html


2. Whilst looking up point 1, I found this, which looks very doable:



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from here: http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/first-flying-on-27-may-1970-boeing.html

First flying on 27 May 1970, the Boeing Vertol 347 testbed was a modified CH-47A Chinook (aircraft 65-07992) used for Boeing's HLH (Heavy Lift Helicopter) program. The helicopter featured just over 9 foot extension of the forward fuselage cabin, a raised aft rotor pylon, four bladed rotors that were two feet longer than a standard Chinook blade, fly-by-wire controls and retractable landing gear.

But the most unique feature of the Model 347 was a variable-incidence wing that created extra lift to offload the main rotors. There was also a retractable gondola in the forward fuselage that had a full set of flying controls during flying crane operations. As the twin rotors no longer overlapped, some degree of noise reduction was also achieved. The Model 347's performance was greater than that of the standard Chinook, but flight testing ended in 1975 with the cancellation of the HLH program.




Excellent page about it here: http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/A_Models/65-07992/65-07992.html


3. I also found this:




4. And, of course, this:



from here: http://www.diseno-art.com/news_content/2012/11/boeing-vertol-xch-62/
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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 09:48:33 AM »
Westland concepts:






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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 10:15:46 AM »
Nice one Jon.

There was a pretty Saunders Roe Project called the P514 Rotorcoach that had a low-mounted wing amidships and a ducted fan behind the aft rotor pylon: I don't suppose you have a 3-view of that do you?

EDIT: found one on this thread: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3196.msg25758.html#msg25758

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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 05:16:02 PM »
I've long thought of trying to do a Ch-46 based gunship in the same vein to the Mi-24D
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 05:17:10 PM »
That 200 seat one is nice.
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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 07:09:41 PM »
I've long thought of trying to do a Ch-46 based gunship in the same vein to the Mi-24D

Hmmm... with a long, slim fuselage, it could be armed with a whacking great recoilless gun........ >:D
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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 02:11:41 AM »
I've long thought of trying to do a Ch-46 based gunship in the same vein to the Mi-24D
Possibly using the ACH-47 as further inspiration?  *grin* Land and drop the rear ramp for the howitzer?
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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2013, 02:19:43 AM »
A tandem rotor helicopter with the armament of an Mi-24?  Been done in the real world.   :D



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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2013, 02:58:41 AM »
That's cheating... ;D
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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2013, 03:00:19 AM »
Re the ACH-46, I was actually toying with stealing the cockpit/canopies + stub wings from either a Cobra or Hind-D.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2013, 05:00:08 AM »
Re the ACH-46, I was actually toying with stealing the cockpit/canopies + stub wings from either a Cobra or Hind-D.
I'm thinking the cockpit/canopy from a Hind-A might work better, or at least serve as an inspiration (trying to fit it to a CH-53E showed the difference in fuselage depth to be pronounced, even in 1/72).

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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2013, 05:28:04 AM »
Maybe if you were to raise the CH-47 cockpit upwards slightly, then graft on a OV-1 Mohawk cockpit in front and below of it ---

Adding turrets and such would be relatively easy I think.

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Re: Tandem-rotor Helos Inspiration thread
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2016, 05:29:14 AM »
Photo of Chinook in RAAF Service before the helicopters were all transferred to ARA:

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2016, 12:32:02 AM »
There is of course the Piaseki H-16 Transporter:


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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2016, 01:09:13 AM »
Photo of Chinook in RAAF Service before the helicopters were all transferred to ARA:



I see it has a white painted roof like some RAF ones, what was the purpose for painting it that way ?

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2016, 01:57:24 AM »
Reflecting / reducing the absorption of solar generated heat? Note the RAF used white paint on top extensively for middle east and desert based A/C.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2016, 02:59:24 AM »
Reflecting / reducing the absorption of solar generated heat? Note the RAF used white paint on top extensively for middle east and desert based A/C.

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2016, 03:41:07 AM »
Yep, which is the same reason post-WWII airliners were/are primarily white or bare metal.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2016, 02:43:55 AM »
A herd of Helo's.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2016, 02:51:17 AM »
The McCulloch MC-4:



is shown in flight at 1:22 in the 1954 Sci Fi movie, "Gog":



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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2016, 07:35:08 AM »
I wonder if they have a Bell HSL to go with all those other tandem rotor helicopters.  It wasn't that successful and I doubt there are many, if any, left.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2016, 07:45:02 AM »
Cool.



But it needs a 3 bladed rotor. The two blades looks unusual.

Anigrand has a 1/72 kit.

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2016, 11:11:34 PM »
Gives me ideas  >:D

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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2016, 12:30:38 AM »
Shipboard ASW helicopter?  >:D

With appropriately-sized DDH?   >:D >:D
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2016, 02:21:41 AM »
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That would work too Moritz!  :D





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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2016, 08:57:58 PM »
Quote
A tandem rotor helicopter with the armament of an Mi-24?  Been done in the real world.
A nice play on words and picture Logan!!  ;D

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2017, 06:25:25 AM »
Just a cool photo:

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2017, 02:25:26 AM »
Quad Rotor conversion idea (not mine):

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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2017, 02:26:20 AM »
ACH-47 info:


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Quad Rotor conversion idea (not mine):




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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2018, 09:38:18 AM »
Found on Facebook. Boeing-Vertol 107-II Experimental helicopter



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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2018, 03:27:32 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2018, 07:25:52 AM »
Boeing Heli-Cranes; Chinook Crane, Model 298, Model 301/XCH-62.





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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2018, 06:36:14 AM »
Interesting
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