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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2013, 11:00:40 AM »
Last ten or so profiles are giving me wanna build in styrene overload - all are tops  :)
F-16XS-C2 looks like pilot crushing G generator.
Bar code camo is new one on me and it works  :)

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2013, 11:32:44 PM »
Damn, that GR-1 looks fast.
I don't know what sort material exists on the real thing - but the few drawings and models I've seen online make it look pretty nice.

Bar code camo is new one on me and it works  :)
It hurts my eyes enough that it is difficult to look at the airplane. So, there must be something to it  ;D

Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2013, 11:52:22 PM »
Nice work....

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2013, 02:47:31 AM »

After German forces were defeated in the Ardennes in summer 1940, things went downhill for Adolf Hitler in a hurry. By the end of 1941, Nazi Germany was no more. All was well in Europe again. Er ... Right? ... Well, not quite ... Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, "Father of Nations", "Brilliant Genius of Humanity", "Gardener of Human Happiness", Stalin, saw some opportunities in the defeat of Nazi Germany. A quick realignment of alliances followed, as it was clear that the Soviet Union was intent on continued expansion. Another war could not reasonably be avoided. With all the resources of western Europe, and some help from USA, it was thought that USSR would soon cease fighting. It turned out not to be quite that easy.

Up North, Finland - with a population of less than 4 million - had been fighting a second war of survival after a short "Interim Peace" against the mighty Soviet Union. Inevitably, some ground had been lost but that started to change in 1942. With new-old friends, the supply of war material was improved.

Valtion Lentokonetehdas (VL) was granted license to build Supermarine's Spitfire. It was already clear that the original Spifire wing was too flexible at high speeds, so VL went right from the start with a new wing design for their Griffon engined Spitfires. First into production was a short winged model with a single-stage supercharged Griffon. Just the thing for fighting off the swarms of IL-2 "agricultural machines".


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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 03:43:59 AM »
 :)

I like the basic scenario too...might need to play with that one if you don't mind.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2013, 11:37:46 PM »
I like the basic scenario too...might need to play with that one if you don't mind.
It isn't totally original... If you do something with it, I'll be interested to see where you take it.
I got the idea from a Science Fiction book where there was a parallel "fake" Earth. There, German defeat in the Ardennes had simply lead to peace.

I had a need for a Northern development where Finland becomes pretty big. While I'm not totally pleased with the outcome, I'll stick with it for the time being. I'll post it now, to get it out of the way:
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By 1946, it was clear that "The Russians" actually had to be beaten on their own ground. It took some time....

... Most Finns would have been happy to get back the ground that they had lost, although there were those who also wanted the rest of Karelia, to create a Greater Finland (Suursuomi). Going for the Urals was stuff for morale raising songs such as "Uraliin" by Teijo Joutsela ja Humppa-Veikot:
"Uraliin" by Teijo Joutsela ja Humppa-Veikot
As it turned out, all of the Soviet Union needed to be occupied to some degree, and southern Nations were not all that eager to take on the West Siberian Plain. By the end of 1952, USSR was occupied, and much of the North was held by troops consisting of recently recruited indigenous troops under Finnish command.

Once the fighting was over, the next problem was what to do with all the land and the various peoples living on it. With the progress of the war, nations further south had already been organised, or reinstated: Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Slovakia, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. The North had been under Russian rule for centuries but could not really be left that way. Russia needed to have well defined borders but the area had to be much smaller than before, to keep it manageable.

The first step in the north was a no-brainer for most: dump the Karelian areas and the Kola Peninsula into Finland's lap. The rest remained a United Nations protectorate until 1967, when talks among the peoples of the area and in the UN General Assembly resolved in the formation of the Finnish Federation, with its capital in Mikkeli, Finland. The new nation consists of the 6 States of Suomi, Karjala, Sámi, Perm, Yugra, and Mordva. In addition, the Nganasan Protectorate even further North East was assigned to the care of the Federation.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2013, 11:39:37 PM by perttime »

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2013, 01:16:22 AM »
Soon after having put Spitfire Mk.27 into service, The Finnish Air Force and VL came to their senses. They went and redesigned the wing again, along with the landing gear. As the normal and short wings were already in production, it was the long high-altitude wing that was first produced with the new layout with landing gear that retracts in the proper direction.

In addition to a long wing, some adjustments to the two-stage Griffon superchargers were applied to increase performance at high altitudes. Other designers had tried adding a turbocharger to the system but finding a place for all the necessary tubíng and the charger itself would have necessitated a complete redesign of the fuselage too.

... Near smolensk, 1946


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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2013, 02:28:04 AM »
Sweet!
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2013, 02:39:20 AM »
A little later, proper landing gear ended up on short wing Spitfires too. This one is Estonian. It served well protecting convoys in the narrow Gulf of Finland, and keeping Soviet mud-movers away from the troops on the ground.



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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2013, 02:44:29 AM »
I wonder if in this scenario Sweden would get involved?  I am currently reading this book:



One of the most common reasons given by many who joined the SS from the Scandinavian countries (including Sweden) was the Soviet invasion of Finland.  They basically saw Soviet aggression as something that needed to be countered and the Germans were the only option to do this.
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2013, 03:07:25 AM »
I wonder if in this scenario Sweden would get involved? 
I have one or two things lined up that mention Sweden being involved... Maybe tomorrow. The dog WANTS to go out NOW  >:(

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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2013, 03:25:10 PM »
Now, a break in the Spitfires. I think I should adjust the color schemes on a couple of Seafires...
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When Squadron Leader G.L.G. Richmond was preparing to test fly the first prototype of the Nuffield-Napier-Heston J5 high speed aircraft, he knew he would have a hot bird in his hands. If all went well, he would soon take the World’s Landplane and Absolute Speed Record from Fritz Wendel and the Messerschmitt Me 209, also known as Me 109R. But it was not to be... There was a war in Europe and Speed Records had ceased to be a priority by the time he got "The Racer" in the air on 12 June 1940.

Wikipedia photo:


The first flight revealed some "issues" but nothing that a little more engineering couldn't fix: the engine was overheating and elevator control was not quite right. Subsequent flights showed improvement, and the second prototype - G-AFOL - turned out even better. The power of the Napier Sabre engine made the little aircraft go fast and climb quickly, and adjustments to the control system had made the plane quite nimble and well behaved. Could this beast be turned into a fighter?

After even more engineering, the first Heston Dragon Mk 1 took to the air, with four 12.7mm machine guns, larger fuel tanks, and a cockpit canopy from a Spitfire. There was not enough space for fuel tanks in súch a compact aircraft to make it a long distance performer but it was a supreme point defence fighter, only rivaled years later by the Grumman Bearcat.

Improvements incorporated into the Heston Dragon Mk 3 included enlarged tail surfaces and ailerons, a bubble canopy, and a more powerful version of the mighty Sabre engine. This one was protecting the Stockholm area against long distance bomber raids in mid 1940s.



... For what really happened to the Napier-Heston Racer, see Wikipedia or a 1943 article on it at Flight Global archives.

Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2013, 07:31:15 PM »
Great Spitfires......

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2013, 10:54:34 PM »
Great Spitfires......
I had great fun with the Spitfire variations. I might still make a somewhat different one  8)
... but there's a few old ones coming soon.

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2013, 10:57:12 PM »
Having put the Dragon point defence interceptor into production, the Heston Aircraft Company started on a design for an all-rounder fighter with more range. To accomplish this, Heston's Chief designer George Cornwall started by stretching the Dragon fuselage to make room for more fuel. Two 20mm guns were fitted on top of the longer nose and two or four 12.7mm machine guns could be installed on the bottom, as on the Dragon. To carry the additional weight, Cornwall designed a larger wing, somewhat influenced by the one used on the heavier Hawker Tempest.

By the time the Basilisk was ready for service, most European countries had gone for various Spitfire marks. However, the resently liberated Norway found the new Basilisk to be ideal for their particular needs. Most Norwegian Heston Basilisks were painted in simple Coastal Camo schemes, designed to disrupt the shape of the aircraft.