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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2012, 02:55:13 AM »
In this day of electronic miniaturization, can that huge disc be reduced in size or eliminated altogether?

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The 737 AEW&C uses a flat-sided MESA 'top-hat' array rather than a dish.



BTW on one of the earlier configurations the aircraft had a refueling boom mounted above the flight-deck
rather than a flying-boom receptacle. It gave the aircraft a very different look.
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2012, 03:56:26 AM »
And why couldn't an aircraft have both the probe and a flying-boom receptacle?  if one wanted to pay the cost and weight penalties, you could do that on a F-35A, for example.  Common systems and structures means that the -A's forward section has the space where the retractable probe would go left empty; you'd have the cost and weight of design work to add it and the door mechanism in, but it would definitely free you up on refueling platforms. 

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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2012, 02:34:57 PM »
What will Raytheon come up with next.......? :icon_music: 8)
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2012, 02:45:22 PM »
What about CSRL in circular pods hanging off the B-52 pylons, would there be any advantage ?
Might work, IF there's enough ground, fuse and engine clearance on the pylon, IF it can take the weight (I think the heaviest stores hung on a single pylon have been 12x M117 750#, 6x ALCM, 1x AGM-28 Hound Dog or 2x AGM-142 Have Nap (aka Popeye). In THEORY it could work other than the huge added drag, but in theory if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. LOL

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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2012, 05:44:21 PM »
What will Raytheon come up with next.......? :icon_music: 8)

Why Raytheon?
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2012, 05:52:28 PM »
The Sentinel is pretty cool.   Being the Whiff-verse, that could open many doors, some integrous, some corrupt.
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2012, 06:40:34 AM »
What will Raytheon come up with next.......? :icon_music: 8)

Not Raytheon, Northrop-Grumman through it's Electronic Systems division, which has its roots in Westinghouse.
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2012, 06:49:29 AM »
I thought the Hughes ASARS-2 came into the Raytheon fold.   My bad :icon_crap:
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2012, 07:02:40 AM »
What will Raytheon come up with next.......? :icon_music: 8)


Not Raytheon, Northrop-Grumman through it's Electronic Systems division, which has its roots in Westinghouse.


That's what I was getting at when I asked "Why Raytheon?"...sorry for being cryptic.

This is what Raytheon actually proposed for the Wedgetail AEW Contest:

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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2016, 09:43:21 AM »


I referenced a B/W image of this design at the start of this thread but on Facebook someone posted a colour version.
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2016, 11:16:38 AM »
Raytheon make me laugh sometimes, they strike me as being the corporate equivalent to the over confident bloke who always pushes to the front and takes the credit, not out of malice but because they deludedly believe they are that good.  AWD project, ASC Shipyard on a government owned common user facility and driving in the first thing you see is a meters high illuminated "Raytheon" sign on the side of the warehouse adjacent to the Systems Centre appearing to indicate it is the Raytheon Systems Centre, shipyard and CUF.  Sadly some in Raytheon actually believe it is the case.

The number of Raytheon wonks who honestly seemed to believe they were the prime contractor rather than an alliance member, that they were the combat developer when what they were actually doing was integrating features to an already developed Lockheed Martin / Navantia design.  They had a finger in every pie and once in tried to take over, even when they didn't actually understand what was required. Almost every function they believed they had the lead on was actually undertaken by career ASC, DMO personnel and contractors hired in to cover off Raytheon's lack of expertise.

Some great people working for them but their corporate culture could almost be called corporate delusion, unfortunately however that delusion has bled through to the media and general public through very proficient and effective brand marketing and their confident self delusion.

Sorry for the ramble by the "Why Raytheon?" seemed like a question worth answering from my perspective.
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2016, 12:43:03 AM »
From my own experience, not overly impressed by how they (mis-)managed Beech Aircraft and their merger of CTAS and E-Systems.  The first has now passed through a holding company to Textron ownership (almost recreating Travelair, save that Stearman's company was acquired by Boeing and the remains left to Spirit when Boeing abandoned Wichita).  The merged CTAS and E-Systems is now a division of L-3 Communications and seems to be doing fair (experiences with Bell in dealing with another division of L-3 are "something else").

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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2018, 10:28:49 PM »
Interesting it looks like the RAF may be looking at Wedgetails to replace their E-3s.
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2018, 11:42:01 PM »
would make sence, lots of commonality with the newly ordered P-8 Poseidon MR.1's
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Re: AWACS competitors
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2018, 02:45:30 AM »
To unified the RAF aircraft fleet, I'd like to also see:

F-8 FGR1 Fighter
T-8 Trainer
C-8 Transport
KC-8 Tanker
MQ8-A UAV

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