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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2018, 02:34:25 AM »
I was thinking of the Draken more because, especially if I use bits from Revell's early-model Draken, it gives me a place to locate the braking parachute even with the afterburner.  Now, a Hunter upgraded and re-engine with a RM12 or F404/F414 could be very interesting.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2019, 10:32:26 PM »
Been thinking a bit on the Hunter and its possibilities and an idea struck me, how about the UK supplies Hawks (as in land based P1040 / Sea Hawks) as well as productionised P.1052 and P.1081, Hunters, and productionised P.1083 and P.1099 (and hybrids there of) and then maybe Lightnings to Israel instead of France supplying successive Mysteres, Super Mystere and Mirages etc.  Israel contributes requirements that are incorporated into the base versions as well as upgrades before things are brought to a halt by sanctions post Six Day War.  Israel then goes it alone developing their own production version of an enhanced Hunter (and Lightning) as the Kfir……..


Normally I would have Australia doing all this but the simple truth is good international relations and a stable economic / strategic environment means there often isn't the justification of such developments.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2019, 03:32:25 AM »
Some inspiration:





Some other possible schemes:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #123 on: December 04, 2019, 12:19:54 AM »
Very nice, I missed these somehow.

Just had an idea to justify development of several generations of Hawker fighters post war. This relates to the revelation the Sir John Collins was advised that HMAS Melbourne would not be able to operate new aircraft, such as the Scimitar, when they became available, with his response apparently being to coverup this fact to prevent the government cancelling Melbourne and disposing of Sydney.

How about instead of this he goes direct to Hawkers, having recalled that the P.1081, a swept wing evolution of the Seahawk, had been offered to the RAAF, and enquiring how difficult it would be to bring the type into production for the RAN.  Hawkers were able to do this due to the high level of commonality with the Seahawk, and further more were able to offer a navalised Hunter for delivery after 1958, with a transonic, mildly supersonic, radar equipped version following in 1960.  The entire thing was sold to the Australian Government as a RN FAA program and to the British government as a RAN FAA program, each government placing orders for aircraft on the assumption the other had taken all the risks.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2019, 10:06:36 AM »
Very nice, I missed these somehow.

Just had an idea to justify development of several generations of Hawker fighters post war. This relates to the revelation the Sir John Collins was advised that HMAS Melbourne would not be able to operate new aircraft, such as the Scimitar, when they became available, with his response apparently being to coverup this fact to prevent the government cancelling Melbourne and disposing of Sydney.

How about instead of this he goes direct to Hawkers, having recalled that the P.1081, a swept wing evolution of the Seahawk, had been offered to the RAAF, and enquiring how difficult it would be to bring the type into production for the RAN.  Hawkers were able to do this due to the high level of commonality with the Seahawk, and further more were able to offer a navalised Hunter for delivery after 1958, with a transonic, mildly supersonic, radar equipped version following in 1960.  The entire thing was sold to the Australian Government as a RN FAA program and to the British government as a RAN FAA program, each government placing orders for aircraft on the assumption the other had taken all the risks.

Goodness, gracious!  Service chiefs lying to bureaucrats and politicians?   Whatever next?  ;)

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2019, 01:09:58 PM »
Turnabout is fair play and the bureaucrats and politicians lie enough.

Beyond that, there are two conversions I would love to see for Hunter kits.  The 3-foot extension at the front transport joint that the CFE wanted for greater range (I also agree with Roy Braybrook that it would make the aircraft even more aesthetically appealing) and the P.1091 delta-winged version.  I could see that developed as a P.1091B with some careful area-ruling, then developed with the CFE extension, Fieri intakes (Hunter looks made for those), radar, and a more powerful engine as a supersonic interceptor, then as a multi-role fighter.

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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: December 27, 2019, 10:00:21 AM »
Just an odd thought, India decides they need more fighter capability but don't have fistfuls of money, so go with a CILOP program to produce zero-timed Hunters powered by dry RD33 engines.

Upgrade the weapons fit, too - Y-racks for AA-8 or AA-11 missiles under each outboard hard point.
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Re: Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: December 27, 2019, 01:17:08 PM »
Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.