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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2016, 10:26:39 PM »

??? Movie prop?

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2016, 04:55:30 AM »
This PS was found by me over the internet back when Taiwanese intention to buy M1A1 was still a what-if rather than a news:
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2016, 06:09:54 AM »
when Taiwanese intention to buy M1A1 was still a what-if rather than a news:

It still is a whatif isn't it?
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2016, 07:00:09 AM »
when Taiwanese intention to buy M1A1 was still a what-if rather than a news:

It still is a whatif isn't it?

At this point it's just a matter of when they'll come up with the money......
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2016, 07:20:07 PM »
I was thinking of doing a British army m1 tusk, what changes do you think would be made in British service

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2016, 08:03:53 PM »
I was thinking of doing a British army m1 tusk, what changes do you think would be made in British service

Look at what they did with their Challenger I and IIs, lots of add on armour, stowage boxes, maybe a GPMG instead of the commanders .50cal.

The British army was apparently quite keen on the Abrams before the 91 Gulf War demonstrated that the Challenger wasn't half as bad as they had been saying.

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2016, 04:07:07 AM »
Autoloader proposal:


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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2017, 04:09:12 AM »
Interesting photo for 'weathering' and colour info:

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2017, 02:54:07 AM »
M1A2 with Trophy system:



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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2019, 03:04:37 AM »
Was reading that in the late 1970s Britain briefly considered UK importing XM1 (later M1) hulls & turrets and combining them with British-made components such as engine, transmission, and a rifled 120mm gun on a domestic production line in order to produce a new tank.  If followed through, could have resulted in a British Abrams.  One might model it via a barrel change (use that from Challenger I expect) along with some other ancillary systems and marking.
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2019, 11:31:56 PM »
along with some other ancillary systems and marking.
New engine decking, grilles, etc. to indicate the engine change would be good, too. Steal the gunner's sights and maybe the commander's cupola as well?

Or, since the British replacement for the Chobham armour on the Abrams and Challenger 1 is supposed to be better, maybe do surgery to get the Challenger 2 turret onto the Abrams hull?

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2019, 02:26:26 AM »
I would keep the turret since that was part of the proposal.  I would replace the gun though - remember that at this time, the M1 still would have had the 105mm (the 120mm not entering service with the M1A1 until the mid '80s) thus the "British Abrams" (might need a new name - any suggestions?) would have been the most powerful Abrams at the time and we may have even seen the M1A1 being based on it rather than using the German derived 120mm smoothbore.

Re the hull engine grills, I agree.  Maybe one could use the Abrams Diesel Engine proposal as a basis:



https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s9qvv

One might also borrow some other Challenger 1 features:

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2019, 04:56:04 AM »
Perhaps name it after "Fighting Jack" Churchill (aka "Mad JacK" Churchill)?  'Twould fit right in after Chieftain and Challenger.  Note that this would continue the custom (tradition?) of naming after combat leaders.
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2019, 05:22:44 AM »
<...> the Abrams Diesel Engine proposal <...>

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Must be a German Diesel. Doesn't even need a turret! >:D
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2019, 08:30:14 PM »
Perhaps name it after "Fighting Jack" Churchill (aka "Mad JacK" Churchill)?  'Twould fit right in after Chieftain and Challenger.  Note that this would continue the custom (tradition?) of naming after combat leaders.

I'm pretty sure everyone would assume it was named after that other Brit named Churchill, whoever he was....
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2019, 01:17:11 AM »
Whilst certainly a character, I would argue against  "Mad JacK" Churchill as the basis for a new "Churchill" tanks on the basis that he (apparently) had very little to do with armoured vehicles during the war.  If anything, he would be a great basis for naming of a special forces or Commando vehicle.  Also, given the timing of this would have been the late '70s/early '80s, he would have still been alive and thus arguably less likely to have had something named after him. 

That said, the name "Churchill" could still be a very valid one, but named after the other Churchill (aka Winston).  Given Margaret Thatcher would have been PM at the time and given the character of the time with heightened perception of the Soviet threat etc, naming after arguable Britain's most famous political leader (and another Conservative PM) and a wartime one at that, who was also instrumental in getting the tank into service and also had American heritage would seem proper.
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2019, 07:02:49 AM »
Note that this would continue the custom (tradition?) of naming after combat leaders.

Also, this is not a British tradition. Well, sorta. Assuming the 'British Abrams' discussed here is actually in service with Brits, of course.

British tank naming tradition is simply to use the letter C for big tanks. The only time wartime leaders were used was for lend-lease tanks, which were named after US Civil War-era Generals (Grant, Lee, Stuart, Sherman), a system which the Americans adopted (as before this they didn't name their vehicles, only giving them designations (M3, M4A3E8, M26, etc).

Meanwhile, for British-designed and made tanks they almost always used cool-sounding words beginning with C. Cromwell, Comet, Covenantor, Churchill, Challenger, Chieftain, Centurion, Crusader, Cavalier, Centaur, Carnaervon, Charioteer, Conqueror, Conway and any others I've forgotten about. Vehicles made by Alvis had names beginning with 'S': Saladin, Saracen, Scorpion, Samson, Striker, Sultan, Samaritan, Scimitar, Sabre, Stormer, Spartan, Salamander and Stalwart. Vehicles made by Daimler were given names beginning with'F': Ferret and Fox.
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2019, 01:40:33 AM »


Stop giving me ideas, I already have far too many   :o
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2019, 03:40:29 AM »
Ooooo....British Abrams in Berlin Brigade scheme. :-*

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2019, 01:16:38 AM »
Ooooo....British Abrams in Berlin Brigade scheme. :-*





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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2019, 05:33:43 AM »
You monster  >:D

Hey!  I resemble that remark.

If it's any consolation, I also want to do a British M1A1 Churchill in Berlin Brigade scheme now.
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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2019, 01:24:35 AM »
Random idea:  Australian M1A1 in this scheme:

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2019, 09:11:26 AM »
A bit red for ground use, except in the North West coastal area.  The RAAF found it was too particular and stood out too much against a green background - which is what most  of Oz actually is.  I like it.  I have used it a couple of times on various aircraft but I don't really think it would suit a ground vehicle.

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2019, 09:30:50 AM »
How about a vehicle of a unit dedicated to the defense of the North West costal area?

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Re: M1 Abrams Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2019, 04:28:01 PM »
How about a vehicle of a unit dedicated to the defense of the North West costal area?

Still going to have problems as soon as it moves into a green area, mate.