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Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« on: December 28, 2011, 04:05:07 PM »
Hi folks,

A thread for Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas.

Here's one to start with.

Following the success of the Bf-109Y (see here),  Focke-wulf were asked to try something similar with the Fw-190.  The result wasn't as successful.  Not finding favour in the fighter role the resulting Fw-190B-2 was turned into a ground attack aircraft to replace the Ju-87 and Hs-129.  A single staffel of Schlachtgeschwader 2 (SG 2) Immelmann trialed 12 during early 1943.  However, although the load carrying and endurance was liked, pilots reported that the aircraft was simply too unwieldy for use at low level and they were withdrawn after 3 months.



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 04:06:04 PM »
Following the failure of Fw-190B-2 ground attack aircraft, Focke-Wulf started afresh. The resulting Fw-190C-1 was far more successful.  In addition to being able to carry a massive payload, this time a tail gunner was also incorporated - this being at the request of front-line crews who found that rear defence was essential in the CAS/Ground attack role.




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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 04:06:49 PM »
What if Dr. Richard Vogt of Blohm & Voss designed the D series 190s:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 04:08:47 PM »
What if the Ta-152 was developed a bit further with the powerful Jumo222 engine:

Single seat gunfighter:



Two-seat Missile fighter (backseater to guide AAMs:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 04:11:01 PM »
Mindless play:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 04:12:40 PM »
Twin engine, high altitude recon/bomber with second crewman in nose and tricycle undercarriage:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 04:14:30 PM »
A different sort of Buchón:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 04:16:33 PM »
Ta152 with DB610 - note, no intelligence what-so-ever was used in the creation of this:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 04:27:02 PM »
Fw 190 on floats (from a "Rufe", I think):

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 10:31:31 AM »
Like the concept drawings.  Good job.  Level rear decks of a German battleship turning it into a battleship/seaplane carrier using FW-190.
How about floats (partially retractable) under SR-71 in US Navy markings?

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 02:06:44 AM »
On my list of future builds is a Ta-152-based two-seater torpedo bomber along the lines of your "two-seat missle fighter". As you may know, there was a real-world Fw-190 torpedo-fighter, so extending the concept to a Ta-152 ain't too outlandish (and so what if it was??).
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2012, 03:39:08 AM »
Maybe ground-pounder Ta-152 in scheme of other WWII fighters used in post-war minor conflicts: full of loads under it's long wings. Maybe not "Nazi slaughtering Russians on Siberia", but Kaiserreich keeping colonies, and use this plane in Tanganika, or Namibia against partisants in 50ies, or 60ies.

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 01:22:36 PM »
Fw-190D or Ta-152 nightfighter with two-seat canopy from FW-190S-8 and radara fit from FW-190A-8/R-11 (if memory serves me correctly).

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 01:51:30 PM »
Maybe ground-pounder Ta-152 in scheme of other WWII fighters used in post-war minor conflicts: full of loads under it's long wings. Maybe not "Nazi slaughtering Russians on Siberia", but Kaiserreich keeping colonies, and use this plane in Tanganika, or Namibia against partisants in 50ies, or 60ies.

That would be interesting.  Alternatively, maybe leftovers from the war sold off.
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2012, 03:43:27 AM »
I wonder...a Fw-190 stretched and turned into something akin to a German Nakajima B6N:



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2013, 05:54:07 AM »
Ta-152H series, USMC-Korea for photo recon duties.
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2013, 08:29:54 AM »
Post-war variants with US or British engines?  Fw-190G with Centaurus and 5-bladed prop serving, say, in French Indo-China?  Or, later, in the Republic of Vietnam?
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2013, 05:05:29 PM »
^^^^^^^

This idea sounds cool.

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2013, 04:11:20 AM »
Fw 190 on floats (from a "Rufe", I think):




I did one of them in plastic, and used Rufe floats from the old JoHan kit.

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2013, 08:25:10 AM »
Brilliant!  :) The extended rudder looks the part, too. Somehow forgot that while knocking together the profile.  :-\
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 10:19:40 AM »
You guys got it with profile and model  :)          Both look the part  :)
Interesting-different to go build FW-190 as floatplane.  Most BTS builds are interesting-different. 
Where did inspiration for floatplane come from ?      Thin air perhaps ?
Looks like adding floats to any aircraft slows them down a bunch !

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 01:33:29 PM »
Where did inspiration for floatplane come from ?      Thin air perhaps ?
Looks like adding floats to any aircraft slows them down a bunch !

Living as I do in the UK, where it rains a lot, building floatplanes makes a LOT of sense..........  :)

And nothing's quite so awesome as seeing a floatplane or flying boat take-off. I watched an Aquila Airways Solent lift off from Southampton Water when I was 6 or 7 maybe and I've been hooked ever since.
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2013, 02:15:30 AM »
Biplane proposals. Sesquiplane or Sexiplane  ;D



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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2013, 03:11:09 AM »
Where did inspiration for floatplane come from ?      Thin air perhaps ?
Looks like adding floats to any aircraft slows them down a bunch !

Living as I do in the UK, where it rains a lot, building floatplanes makes a LOT of sense..........  :)

And nothing's quite so awesome as seeing a floatplane or flying boat take-off. I watched an Aquila Airways Solent lift off from Southampton Water when I was 6 or 7 maybe and I've been hooked ever since.

Ditto here in the Pacific Northwet/Cascadia.  :)

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2014, 03:58:10 AM »
There were a lot of proposals around this mix. I think that something must be worth.  ;)


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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2014, 12:01:30 PM »
France and Britain stand up to Germany at Munich over Czechoslovakia to the point of mobilising ready for war and Germany backs down.  Hitler is humiliated and attempts to assert his authority through a campaign of terror against those he perceives are his enemies, this backfires resulting a public uprising where he calls out the army and orders them to fire on unarmed civilians, the soldiers refuse and their officers back their men.  The mutiny become a coup, Hitler and other senior Nazi officials are arrested on charges of treason.  General elections are held and a social democratic coalition wins power. 

WWII starts in May 1940 when the USSR invades Poland and the Baltic states before turning on Germany,  France and Britain declare war on the USSR for filling their treaty obligations to Poland.  That war rapidly reaches a stalemate in Europe but the USSR moves against Iran and Iraq as well as the Balkans and into the middle east and North Africa.  Japan attacks Pearl harbour on December 1 1941 catching the USNs carriers along side and moves against the DEI, Malaya and Singapore in early 1942.  Germany has been exporting war materiel to its western allies thus Dutch, British and Australian forces employ the FW190 as their primary fighter bomber in SEA and the Pacific against the Japanese.

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2014, 10:45:17 PM »
Here's some fantastic "What If" profiles by Tomás Reyes on DeviantART. There's many different examples of each type on his page, all "What If".

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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2014, 05:01:12 AM »
Another one by Tomás Reyes:


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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2014, 09:10:52 PM »
Looks nice. I read the article and the pilot noted that A/C flies better with a 4 bladed prop vs 3.

Naive question: why did so few German fighter A/C have 4 bladed props? What did the A/C  manufactures stay with 3 blades for the fighters? Lack of strategic materials? Jets and rockets kick a**?

My unscientific study (Google WW II fighter pictures) shows many A/C near the end of war had been converted from 3 to 4 or more blades.
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2014, 10:58:58 PM »
Looks nice. I read the article and the pilot noted that A/C flies better with a 4 bladed prop vs 3.

Naive question: why did so few German fighter A/C have 4 bladed props? What did the A/C  manufactures stay with 3 blades for the fighters? Lack of strategic materials? Jets and rockets kick a**?

My unscientific study (Google WW II fighter pictures) shows many A/C near the end of war had been converted from 3 to 4 or more blades.
If memory serves me correctly, the Germans used more contoured (i.e. with twist to better match local airflow) and efficient propellers than the allies and could get the same result with fewer blades, albeit with longer manufacturing times.

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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2015, 10:00:42 PM »
I love all the first set of drawings Greg, but was surprised you missed this one variant......



Yes it's a night fighter, and anyone who knows me knows it's one of my favorite subjects.

There are two ideas in the one drawing, either a two-seater with pilot and RO in separate cockpits, or just the pilot with lots to do! Only thing I don't like with this is the under carriage, just could quite find a setup I liked!

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2015, 02:08:17 AM »
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2015, 02:13:21 AM »
Variation on that, one fuselage uses a FW-190S-8 as a basis, giving you your two seats, and the other is without a cockpit.

Beautiful idea, though.

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2015, 03:50:02 AM »
Somebody must have thought of a single jet version. Yak-15 style perhaps?

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2015, 04:15:15 AM »
Well there was the Fw190TL: 


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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2015, 06:36:05 AM »
I keep thinking of the Fw190TL mated to the "swallow" wing flight-tested on the Fw190V19.

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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2015, 06:52:03 AM »
I keep thinking of the Fw190TL mated to the "swallow" wing flight-tested on the Fw190V19.

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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2015, 07:45:40 AM »
I keep thinking of the Fw190TL mated to the "swallow" wing flight-tested on the Fw190V19.

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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2015, 01:37:11 AM »
How about a FW-190ish equivalent to the Hawker P.1040,1052 and 1081? Outer wings, canopy, rear fuselage and tail for the P.1040 equivalent the less and less of the original as it evolves slowly into the German Hunter, FW Jager?

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2015, 02:40:54 AM »
How about a FW-190ish equivalent to the Hawker P.1040,1052 and 1081? Outer wings, canopy, rear fuselage and tail for the P.1040 equivalent the less and less of the original as it evolves slowly into the German Hunter, FW Jager?

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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2015, 05:02:10 AM »
A different form of CFT trailed on a Fw190:

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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2015, 01:33:37 PM »
How about the Luftwaffe deploys a Geschwader of FW190A (or F) to North Africa but are unable to assemble and prep the aircraft prior to the end of the campaign meaning that the allies were able to capture almost 200 examples of the type plus spares and support equipment?  It was too dangerous to use them against the Germans due to identification issues but using them in SEA or the Pacific was an entirely different matter.

Loaded on a ship these are craft could have been sent to India, Burma, Australia or New Zealand to bolster air power being used against Japan.

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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2015, 06:12:28 PM »
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The Luftwaffe operated Fw190s in Tunisia in 1943.  At least one was captured and test flown...








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« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2015, 08:29:08 PM »
Thanks for that, makes it more plausible.

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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2015, 12:46:35 AM »
Odd thought, immediately post-war developments of the Fw-190 with either the Centaurus or R2800 in place of the BMW engine.

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2015, 12:56:49 AM »
R-2800 would be a better fit, the Centaurus is larger in diameter and heavier.
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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2015, 03:16:14 AM »
Something different:  Carrier based, torpedo carrying Fw190:

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« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2017, 05:43:16 AM »
Ta-152 with tandem coupled DB engines and "beautified" tail fin.

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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2017, 10:38:02 AM »
My goodness.  What a long nose there!  Pinocchio, what lies have you been telling?

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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2017, 11:25:50 AM »
Looks fine and fast.

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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2017, 03:57:47 PM »
The rear engine must come pretty close to the pilot's legs. Not that such things have bothered me either, when making similar design tweaks  ;D

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« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2017, 02:17:46 AM »
Reno Racer?

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« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2018, 07:46:57 PM »
Found on Facebook:



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« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2018, 03:00:33 AM »
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« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2018, 10:41:57 AM »
Crossing FW-190 and Me-109K



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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2018, 04:14:31 AM »
Something different:  Carrier based, torpedo carrying Fw190:




Nice!!
The Fw 190's wide-track landing gear would undoubtedly have made it a more stable platform than the Bf 109Z on a rolling and pitching carrier deck, don't you think Greg?

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2018, 10:47:19 AM »
Err...not sure
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2018, 03:23:09 PM »
Something about the carrier based Fw 190 drawing makes me think Japanese.
Overall style? The way the pilot is drawn?

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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2018, 09:05:32 PM »
Ta-262


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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2018, 03:28:05 PM »
FW-190 with Skyraider wings and ordnance loadout.

CAS platform Korean War / Vietnam War
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2018, 09:00:58 AM »
FW-190 with Skyraider wings and ordnance loadout.

CAS platform Korean War / Vietnam War

See page 1 of this thread.
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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2018, 05:20:34 PM »
Whatif increasing 14% wingspan of Dora in or reach same ratio than Fw-190A.


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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #64 on: October 30, 2018, 11:32:45 AM »
A classic beauty, Griffon Dora, and her complementary, Jumo Spitfire


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Re: Fw-190 and Ta-152 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2018, 09:31:16 PM »
Overcrossing Dora-Veltro


IMO top one is beautiful, and bottom one is extreme.