Author Topic: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration  (Read 10737 times)

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« on: September 01, 2012, 09:02:40 AM »
Why when I look at this:



Do I think crop duster...
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline finsrin

  • The Dr Frankenstein of the modelling world...when not hiding from SBA
  • Finds part glues it on, finds part glues it on....
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 09:15:20 AM »
I do have Avenger kit-bash all planned out.

Can see one pictured as crop duster.  And there are surplus SR-71s for modification into rapid response crop dusters.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 10:26:54 AM by finsrin »

Offline Daryl J.

  • Assures us he rarely uses model glue in dentistry
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 10:13:58 AM »
Biplane, like the F3F is to the F4F
kwyxdxLg5T

Offline Geoff

  • Newly Joined - Welcome me!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 07:03:14 PM »
Swedish navy in Sea Blue Gloss, but with turrets etc.

Offline upnorth

  • Distorting a reality near you.
  • Reinvented Austria and the Stuka....Now what?
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 11:17:54 PM »
Rip out all the naval gear, ventral gun and reduce the radio equipment to bare minimum essentials (perhaps to the point where it could get by with a crew of two).

After that; rig the torpedo bay to take conventional bombs, put a couple of 20 mm cannons in each wing, plug in an R-2800 and slap on some SEAC roundels and send her hunting inland.
Pickled Wings, A Blog for Preserved Aircraft:
http://pickledwings.wordpress.com/

Beyond Prague, Traveling the Rest of the Czech Republic:
http://beyondprague.wordpress.com/

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 02:24:49 AM »
Biplane, like the F3F is to the F4F

 :)
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online The Big Gimper

  • Any model will look better in RCAF, SEAC or FAA markings
  • Global Moderator
  • Cut. Cut. Cut. Measure. Cut. Cut. Crap. Toss.
    • Photobucket Modeling Album
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 03:38:12 AM »
I have plans so build a 1/72 USAAF A-32A Thrush. A peer to the A-25A Shrike.

OD and Grey.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2012, 03:42:02 AM by The Big Gimper »
Work in progress ::

I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

User and abuser of Bothans...

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 03:57:00 AM »
Rip out all the naval gear, ventral gun and reduce the radio equipment to bare minimum essentials (perhaps to the point where it could get by with a crew of two).

After that; rig the torpedo bay to take conventional bombs, put a couple of 20 mm cannons in each wing, plug in an R-2800 and slap on some SEAC roundels and send her hunting inland.


Well the Avenger did actually carry conventional bombs in real life:



+ see here

Developing the idea further though, what about a Grumman Avenger in Armée de l'Air markings in a scenario where France didn't fall.  Maybe have the Avenger operating in a kind of Fairey Battle tupe function?
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 03:57:25 AM »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 11:04:03 AM »
Most of the torpedo bombers of the period also functioned as level bombers.

The R-2800 was proposed for the TBM-3, they went for the 1,900 hp R2600-20 instead.

Two aircraft were converted to the XTBM-5 configuration, a faired ventral step, removal
of the turret and conversion to two-seat configuration with twin-.30s on flexible mount
were among the changes.

Bu No 00550 was modified into a single-seater in July 1942.

The G-56 was a proposal for a developed Avenger with Martin turret and R-2800, one aircraft was
converted to test the turret. The twin-.50s were found to have a lower effective rate of fire than the
single gun turret due to the guns having to interrupted twice as often to clear the tail.



The PZL P.46 Sum has always reminded me of fixed gear, twin-tail Avenger.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/pzl46.html

“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline sequoiaranger

  • Gone but not forgotten. He already has a team of angels working up his bench in the sky!
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • E Pluribus Unum (modeling style)
Twin-Tailed Avenger?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2012, 11:59:40 PM »
>The PZL P.46 Sum has always reminded me of fixed gear, twin-tail Avenger.<

Hmmmm--maybe the twin-tail arrangement on an Avenger would make the Martin twin-.50 turret feasible!
My mind is like a compost heap--fertile AND rotten!

Offline ysi_maniac

  • I will die understanding not this world
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration: reengining with V3420 and more
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 01:08:01 AM »



Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 02:04:01 AM »
Biplane, like the F3F is to the F4F
How about more like the XF4F-1 was to the F4F-2?  The original XF4F-1 concept was a biplane, they redid it as a monoplane as the F4F-2.

Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 08:01:08 PM »
Have 4 planned:

A shortened one to become a Bomber-Fighter (XBFF-1  ::) ) in a continuance of the vein started by the BF2C. F4F writ large. Problematic in plastic but I'm persisting dammit!

A General Motors XBT2M-1 single-seater with bubble canopy and R-3350 as an insurance policy for the other BTs. Ironically, I'm also planning a Fisher (General Motors subsidiary) XBTF-1 based on the XP-75 (a R-3350 will fit in the fuselage) and have the company in competition with itself.

A Grumman XF-89 (essentially F-89 bits stuck to an Avenger).

An Avenger fuselage with fore/aft turrets mated to P-61 wings/booms. A failed escort fighter that makes a killing in the attack arena. Using up spare bits. Not thought of a full backstory yet. Maybe Northrop are license-building Avenger fuselages and use one to expedite the P-61??

Usual caveat of they'll be finished in my next life!   :-\

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration: reengining with V3420 and more
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 10:53:19 PM »



Hmm!   How about this one with a slightly longer canopy and Douglas A-26 turrets top & bottom Carlos  ----

Offline Cliffy B

  • Ship Whiffer Extraordinaire...master of Beyond Visual Range Modelling
  • Its ZOTT!!!
    • My Artwork
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2013, 01:56:15 AM »
Kit, that would be the Avenger's proposed successor, the Douglas XSB2D-1

"Radials growl, inlines purr, jets blow!"  -Anonymous

"Helos don't fly.  They vibrate so violently that the ground rejects them."  -Tom Clancy

"If all else fails, call in an air strike."  -Anonymous

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2013, 03:08:59 AM »
I knew I got this idea from somewhere CB,   ;D

I think the arrangement would be better on Carlos's profile though, a bit more room I think ----

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2013, 03:58:23 AM »
 The Douglas XSB2D-1 was intended to replace the SBD Dauntless and the SB2C Helldiver, the
replacement for the TBF Avenger was to be the Grumman Design 70/XTB3F. This project grew
out of a drag and weight reduction program for the TBF and eventually led to the AF-2 Guardian.

There were five preliminary configurations in the Design 70 proposal:
G70, R-2800 with dorsal turret
G70A, R-3350 with dorsal turret
G70B, R-4360 and GE remote-controlled turret
G70D, R-3350 and I-20 turbojet
G70F, R-3350 and Westinghouse 24C turbojet

The new .60 MG was originally proposed for wing armament, this was later changed to 20mm cannon.
The T17 .60 MG project was an unsuccessful program that was based on the original 15mm version of
the German MG151.
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline Logan Hartke

  • High priest in the black arts of profiling...
  • Rivet-counting whiffer
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2013, 04:22:13 AM »
The original replacement was to have been the Vought XTBU Sea Wolf.



They had to turn that over to Consolidated to be the TBY Sea Wolf and that went about as well as if they had given it to the Japanese and asked them to license build it for the USN.

Cheers,

Logan

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2013, 04:23:56 AM »
Oooo...look at all of that glass...
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Logan Hartke

  • High priest in the black arts of profiling...
  • Rivet-counting whiffer
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2013, 04:45:20 AM »
The pilot, radioman, bombardier, gardener, horticulturist, geneticist, dorsal gunner, ventral gunner...

Cheers,

Logan

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2013, 04:48:10 AM »
 ;D  Oh, that would be cool to model:  a cockpit with pilot, gunner and in-between a bunch of plants growing and being watered.  Maybe some tulips:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2013, 05:12:35 AM »
Erm, my son could think of something else to grow ---  ;D


not that I would condone anything like that of course --       :P

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2013, 05:14:52 AM »
Oh...tomatoes  ;)
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Cliffy B

  • Ship Whiffer Extraordinaire...master of Beyond Visual Range Modelling
  • Its ZOTT!!!
    • My Artwork
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2013, 05:59:38 AM »
Whoops!  I got my prototypes all mixed up  :-[  I thought that the SB2D, which evolved into the AD, was supposed to replace all the dive and torpedo bombers but proved unsuccessful so they went back to the drawing boards.

We all call them greenhouses, I'm surprised we haven't see one molded that way before...
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 06:01:28 AM by Cliffy B »
"Radials growl, inlines purr, jets blow!"  -Anonymous

"Helos don't fly.  They vibrate so violently that the ground rejects them."  -Tom Clancy

"If all else fails, call in an air strike."  -Anonymous

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2013, 03:44:35 PM »
The Vought aircraft was a contemporary and competitor of the TBF, not a replacement.
Grumman, Vought, Brewster, Douglas, Hall and Vultee all tendered one or more configurations
to the same USN RFP on August 24, 1939. From a total of thirteen proposals the Navy whittled
it down to three designs from Brewster, Grumman and Vought. By 3 November they had decided
to procure two prototypes from Grumman (XTBF-1)and one from Vought (XTBU-1). The contracts
were not awarded until April, 1940.

After experiencing major structural problems in testing, the XTBU-1 rear fuselage tore off in an
arrested landing test at Anacostia, Vought had to do some redesign. The production was assigned
to Consolidated because Vought did not the capacity to produce the TBU-1 because of other
production commitments, so it was turned over to Consolidated-Vultee in Allentown, Pa. as the
TBY. The first TBY-2 was not delivered until November 1944. 189 were built before the contract
was canceled. Two squadrons were preparing for deployment overseas, however the TBY-2s
were withdrawn from service and replaced by TBMs because it was felt that the aircraft still had
too many bugs to be used operationally. Some remained in use as utility and reserve aircraft.

Grumman Aircraft since 1929, Francillon, Putnam/NIP 1989

The Corsair and Other Aeroplanes Vought 1917 - 1977, Moran, HAA 1978, 2nd printing 1991
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 03:52:19 PM by jcf »
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline Logan Hartke

  • High priest in the black arts of profiling...
  • Rivet-counting whiffer
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2013, 12:18:42 AM »
They were contemporaries like the Valiant and the Victor were, though.  The Navy realized the XTBU was the better aircraft but the XTBF would make it into service quicker.  It was decided to build both, having the Sea Wolf replace the Avenger once it got into service.  Well, the Avenger proved to be better than expected, torpedo bombing diminished in importance, and Consolidated was more incompetent than anyone could have predicted.  As a result, instead of replacing the Avenger as the Navy had intended in 1940-41, the Sea Wolf was quietly canceled and forgotten.

My sources for this are the Naval Fighters titles on the Sea Wolf and Skypirate.

Cheers,

Logan

Online The Big Gimper

  • Any model will look better in RCAF, SEAC or FAA markings
  • Global Moderator
  • Cut. Cut. Cut. Measure. Cut. Cut. Crap. Toss.
    • Photobucket Modeling Album
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2016, 03:38:16 AM »
TBM Gathering – 90 Tons of Turkeys Invade Illinois

As we promised a few months ago, here is our report on the TBM gathering organized by Brad Deckert in Peru, Illinois this past week. The event was widely acclaimed as a roaring success, and we had our own Matthew McDaniel on the ground to report on the proceedings. We are also able to share some images from the event taken by the masterful photographer Greg Morehead and provided to WarbirdsNews compliments of the world-class Warbird Digest magazine. We greatly appreciate their support, and can’t thank chief editor Greg Morehead enough for his generosity.  There’s also a great video from AirshowStuff.com as well, and we must offer our thanks to their team for providing us with live coverage of the event on our Facebook feed as well. We hope you enjoy reading….



Full article is here with a nice video at the end.
Work in progress ::

I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

User and abuser of Bothans...

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2016, 05:13:09 AM »
A different sort of Avenger:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline ysi_maniac

  • I will die understanding not this world
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2017, 01:14:01 PM »
Turbo Avenger French (Alizé) and British (Gannet) style


Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2017, 02:19:23 AM »
Interesting
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2017, 10:14:39 AM »
I like those Carlos, only thing I would comment on is where the main gear is. As both the Alize and Gannet had nose wheels, I'd flip the main gear in the wing to the other side of the main spar.

Online The Big Gimper

  • Any model will look better in RCAF, SEAC or FAA markings
  • Global Moderator
  • Cut. Cut. Cut. Measure. Cut. Cut. Crap. Toss.
    • Photobucket Modeling Album
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2017, 10:26:03 AM »
Wow Carlos! Great mash-ups. Lots of inspiration here.
Work in progress ::

I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

User and abuser of Bothans...

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2017, 11:48:00 PM »
Cool.  :icon_fsm:

Running the exhaust all the way back to behind the wing, however, would be highly problematic,
for space reasons, and you'd cook all the crew.

 ;D :icon_fsm:
“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline tankmodeler

  • Wisely picking parts of the real universe 2 ignore
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2017, 04:12:38 AM »
Cooking the crew was my first reaction. The ducting is also running through the top edge of weapons bay, I think.

Offline TurboCoupeTurbo

  • Newly Joined - Welcome me!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2017, 05:47:23 AM »
Could be useful for high-altitude work then...  :P

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2017, 06:00:11 AM »
Cool.

Running the exhaust all the way back to behind the wing, however, would be highly problematic,
for space reasons, and you'd cook all the crew.
Agreed.  Too, that long exhaust duct would complicate starting due to back-pressure (Swearingen had to resort to lots of manipulations with the long exhausts on the Merlin III/Merlin IV, and Metro).

I would suggest exhausts above the wing just far enough aft of the engines to get a low-loss exhaust duct; that way you don't affect anything leaving the weapons bay.

Offline ysi_maniac

  • I will die understanding not this world
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2017, 08:58:51 AM »
Exhaust ducts are in same positon than in Gannet. ??? ::)

Offline jcf

  • Global Moderator
  • Turn that Gila-copter down!
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2017, 12:26:33 PM »
Exhaust ducts are in same positon than in Gannet. ??? ::)


The Gannet was designed for that installation, the Avenger was not, the Avenger crew
areas fill the width of the fuselage, there's no where to run the exhaust ducts.

On the Gannett AEW.3 the exhaust ducts were relocated.

“Conspiracy theory’s got to be simple.
Sense doesn’t come into it. People are
more scared of how complicated shit
actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
-The Peripheral, William Gibson 2014

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2020, 04:50:26 AM »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2020, 03:23:35 AM »
Land based Avengers:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2020, 09:25:22 AM »
Land based Avengers:


Hmm, perhaps a whiff in USAAF camouflage and markings?

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2021, 02:42:24 AM »


UK owned Grumman Avenger T.R.Mk1 JZ146 was modified as a testbed for the Frazer-Nash FN.95 twin .50 cal machine gun barbette for the Fairey Spearfish
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2021, 04:15:22 AM »
Ha Ha! I just saved that pick so I could post it here ----  ;D

That would make a good what-if, but have another under the fuselage too ---

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2021, 12:57:42 AM »
What would you use for the turret?

I'm thinking the top turret from the He177 (though probably a different scale (e.g. 1/72 turret on 1/48 fuselage) might work:

« Last Edit: January 08, 2021, 12:59:29 AM by GTX_Admin »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2021, 02:32:36 AM »
I was thinking the top & bottom turret from an A-26

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2021, 02:39:44 AM »
I was thinking the top & bottom turret from an A-26

Yep, another possibility:



Probably need to do a test fit.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2021, 03:19:26 AM »
B-29/50 turrets ? And something similar, turrets from a Tu-16 or Tu-95

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2021, 03:22:42 AM »
Again possibilities.  Need to do some test fits and/or dimension checks I think.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2021, 03:34:10 AM »
The turret was the Frazer-Nash FN95 remote-controlled dorsal barbette with two .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2021, 03:35:13 AM »
This Lancaster was tested with remote turrets too

Offline kitnut617

  • Measures the actual aircraft before modelling it...we have the photographic evidence.
  • I'd rather be dirtbike riding
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2021, 03:47:08 AM »
Turrets from a Beech Grizzly ?

Offline GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2021, 01:42:33 AM »
This Lancaster was tested with remote turrets too

Indeed - that was a one-off trial from 1944 with Boulton Paul turrets/barbettes each with twin 20mm cannon:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline apophenia

  • Patterns? What patterns?
Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2021, 08:04:25 AM »
Turrets from a Beech Grizzly ?

kit': The XA-38's central station fire control system (GE Model 2CFR21B3), upper (GE Model 2CGD50URC1) and lower turrets (GE Model 2CGD50LRC1) were identical to those installed in the A-26 ... and, thus, those turrets were all variations on the B-29's 2-gun units.
"... blac to gebeddan; bleda gedreosaþ, wynna gewitaþ, wera geswicaþ"