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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2012, 07:15:03 AM »
Speaking of the Trent Meteor, has anyone ever seen a Keyboys 1/48 conversion:

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2012, 07:22:06 AM »
I wonder about a follow on to the Trent Meteor with twin RR Darts?
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2012, 10:21:36 AM »
I've given that some thought and as much as I like the idea, the Dart is just too big I think.  Plus if you go by what is mentioned in the Rolls Royce book on the Crecy where they say that a pound of thrust is about the equivalent of one hp, even the most powerful Dart (2900 shp) would have been underpowered compared to the later Meteor marks with Derwents.

I think an airframe bigger than the Meteor would be better though, but then not as big as a Canberra either
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2012, 04:36:12 PM »
Whence is your dart sourced?  Is it the Heritage one for the Dakota?

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2012, 10:24:57 PM »
Yes Brian, it's a copy of the Heritage Dakota Dart conversion. I've since hacked it around a bit, see my Sunderland project here.

Grey nacelle is the original top photo, middle photo is what I've done to the copy and it's shorter too. I also have the Cavalier Mustang conversion heritage does which might be a better base.  Even then it's quite a big lump (bottom pic)
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2012, 03:30:22 AM »
Re the Keyboys 1/48 Trent Meteor Conversion, I managed to get in touch with the Keyboys Manager, Hiroshi Kawashita, overnight (very fast response!).  The conversions are available for 2800 JPY + postage.  Here is another image showing the conversion.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2012, 03:49:23 AM »
I don't know Greg, it doesn't look right.  The intake looks way to big to me but it might just be the photos. The propeller blades are all the wrong shape too, they should look like a Spitfire Mk.XIV in shape but of course the opposite pitch

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2012, 03:54:57 AM »
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2012, 04:28:43 AM »
Definitely needs some wing tip mounted fuel tanks with that Trent conversion. 
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2012, 06:15:40 AM »
Meteor with Me262 style seating arrangement:

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2012, 07:20:41 AM »
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2012, 03:23:28 AM »
Hypothetical model of a 'Meteor flying boat'...

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2012, 12:57:27 PM »
Does anyone do a conversion for the Beryl-powered prototype?  I happen to rather like the lines of that one.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2012, 03:24:50 PM »
Does anyone do a conversion for the Beryl-powered prototype?  I happen to rather like the lines of that one.

What scale?
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2012, 10:07:51 AM »
Does anyone do a conversion for the Beryl-powered prototype?  I happen to rather like the lines of that one.

What scale?
I'll go for "what's available".  I prefer 1/72 but enjoy 1/48 just as much.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2012, 05:42:21 PM »
How would you go modifying some Jumo 004s from a Me262 to create an approximation of it?
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2012, 09:31:52 PM »
Looking at some photos of it in Tony Buttler & Phil Butler's Aerofax book Evan, it looks like a fairly straight forward conversion. All you need is an Meteor F.4 kit and slightly modify the nacelles. The circle of the nacalles weren't equal about the wing though and were slightly bigger in diameter but the top line is about where the top of the Derwent engines were.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2012, 02:51:24 AM »
How would you go modifying some Jumo 004s from a Me262 to create an approximation of it?

The 262 Jumo 004 'nacelles' are not even close in shape to those of the Metrovick F.2/2 powered
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2012, 03:03:22 PM »
Well, I did ask "How would you go...?"  ;D
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2012, 08:58:50 PM »
The nacelles for the Beryl look to be about the same length as a Meteor Mk.4/8 nacelles only the Beryl nacelles are quite a bit bigger in diameter, the wing does not attach on the center line though, they attach further to the top and as I attempted to say previously, the top profile line of the two nacelles are at about the same level.  Although this means the nacelle hangs lower, it's not like how the Metro-Vick powered F9/40 had them, and it appears that standard u/c was used judging by where the wheel axle is to the lower edge of the u/c bay door.

Re-reading the Aerofax book (Gloster Meteor) it says the nacelles inner structure was made big enough for other engines to be installed and if you were to look at pics of the Avon and Sapphire powered prototypes you can see the nacelle looks very similar.  The differences being the air inlet and exhaust nozzles are just bigger in diameter.

Here's a pic of an F9/40 which was used for nacelle shape experiments, I'm building this from some photos that appeared in an Air-britain article (I think -- it could have been another book --  it's been a while since I started this Meteor prototype project)
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2012, 03:48:31 AM »
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2012, 05:15:36 AM »
Looking at some photos of it in Tony Buttler & Phil Butler's Aerofax book Evan, it looks like a fairly straight forward conversion. All you need is an Meteor F.4 kit and slightly modify the nacelles. The circle of the nacalles weren't equal about the wing though and were slightly bigger in diameter but the top line is about where the top of the Derwent engines were.
I thin we're talking about two different Meteors here.  The one I'm talking about is the prototype where the axial-flow engines are slung under the wing, not installed through it.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2012, 07:14:22 AM »
Do you mean this one Evan, with the Metrovick F.2 engine

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2012, 07:20:46 AM »
Because Tony Buttler/Phil Butler's Aerofax book says this is the Beryl Meteor

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2012, 08:29:20 AM »
Do you mean this one Evan, with the Metrovick F.2 engine
Yes, that one.  I was under the impression, mistaken or not, that the Metrovick F.2 was the Beryl.