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Offline Diamondback

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #600 on: April 24, 2014, 02:27:11 PM »
For some reason, I wondered if Capt. Shomo was going to show up... :) he's one of the Mustang aces I wish were better known, because of the fact that while he wasn't a top scorer he did his thing while nominally flying RECON missions.


Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #601 on: April 24, 2014, 10:57:01 PM »
Thanks lauhof and Diamondback!  Shomo's story really is amazing.  There are two things I love about it.  First is that he and his wingman were supposed to meet up with a Mustang squadron for the recon flight over the enemy airbase, but their escorts never showed up so they decided to just complete the mission unescorted.  Turns out they didn't need it!  The second thing that I love is that in most of these stories from WWII are tempered by later evidence that the enemy only lost four aircraft total, for example.  In this case, though, Shomo and his wingman flew over all the crash sites and took photos of all their kills.  That's one way to confirm them!

I've loved the story of his incredible story since having first read about it in this book as a kid.



Cheers,

Logan

Offline Matt Wiser

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #602 on: April 25, 2014, 09:12:06 AM »
In all fairness to the people who claimed x number of kills on a particular mission, they were made in good faith, and medals often were awarded based on the best intelligence information available at the time. The same went for the USN submarine force: skippers claimed sinkings and were duly awarded medals for those patrols, but postwar accounting either cut the number of sinkings, the tonnage amount, or both. Even when skippers presented photographic evidence of ships sinking when the postwar accounting was wiping the claim, their claims were not recognized. But conversely, skippers who were only credited with "damage" to a ship during the war were surprised at the end of the war to find that the ship they had "damaged" had in fact gone down!

Sorry for the above-but it had to be pointed out. Nice artwork, and you can bet that in OLYMPIC, he would've had the opportunity to add to his score..
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #603 on: April 25, 2014, 10:23:31 AM »
I don't disagree, Matt!  I don't blame pilots for overclaiming.  It happened with all countries, all service, and it has throughout history.  I remember one Soviet apologist on a forum recently who was investigating USAF claims in the Korean War and their excessive kill ratio.  His research quickly showed that the USAF pilots were indeed overclaiming.  Unfortunately, as he dug further, he discovered that his heroes, the expert Soviet pilots of the 64th Fighter Corps, were just as guilty of this as the American pilots he was looking to expose.  In short, everyone did it, and it wasn't intentional.  It's just human nature.

I also agree that commendations or official claims shouldn't retroactively be changed as research sheds new light on actual losses.  One of my favorite subjects to read about are cases where a pilot or submarine captain sunk a major vessel without even realizing it.

Cheers,

Logan

Offline Volkodav

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #604 on: April 25, 2014, 10:32:57 AM »
I don't disagree, Matt!  I don't blame pilots for overclaiming.  It happened with all countries, all service, and it has throughout history.  I remember one Soviet apologist on a forum recently who was investigating USAF claims in the Korean War and their excessive kill ratio.  His research quickly showed that the USAF pilots were indeed overclaiming.  Unfortunately, as he dug further, he discovered that his heroes, the expert Soviet pilots of the 64th Fighter Corps, were just as guilty of this as the American pilots he was looking to expose.  In short, everyone did it, and it wasn't intentional.  It's just human nature.

I also agree that commendations or official claims shouldn't retroactively be changed as research sheds new light on actual losses.  One of my favorite subjects to read about are cases where a pilot or submarine captain sunk a major vessel without even realizing it.

Cheers,

Logan

I remember reading something on the Shinano sinking where the captain claimed a carrier and they gave him a freighter as no such carrier existed.

Offline Matt Wiser

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #605 on: April 25, 2014, 12:59:34 PM »
The best way to prevent overclaiming: a gun camera in every bird. Nowadays that's a given, but in those days? Not very likely. And there's been rumors that one guy who had the opportunity to become an ace in two wars passed it up. Robin Olds had four MiG kills in his SEA tour, and almost had #5 if not for the wretched AIM-4 Falcon missile. Once Sidewinders were refitted to his F-4s, he had ten chances to get his fifth MiG, but he'd been told that once he did that, the Secretary of the Air Force, Harold Brown (Carter's SECDEF) would pull him from combat as a publicity asset. It's rumored he did kill his fifth MiG, but either didn't claim it, or let his wingman take credit.
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #606 on: April 25, 2014, 01:08:10 PM »
German pilots in Spain reportedly did the same thing.  They didn't claim kills in order to not get pulled from the theatre.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #607 on: April 25, 2014, 04:03:52 PM »
I remember one story about the Luftwaffe, where one of their senior generals wryly pointed out that in (iirc) a single week his pilots claimed to have wiped out the RAF twice over with the number of kills claimed.

Also, kills could be rejected (post-war) on the basis that a plane made it back to base, even if that plane was unable to be restored to service.
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Offline arc3371

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Re: Logan's Profiles - USAAF F-15A - Shomo's Flying Undertaker
« Reply #608 on: April 25, 2014, 06:52:10 PM »
A lot of great planes Logan

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Bulgarian Heinkel He 46G Sova
« Reply #609 on: April 26, 2014, 06:39:59 AM »
Thanks, arc!  Here's one that I like because it's quite plausible, and it's just pretty.  In fact, it's often misreported that the Bulgarian Air Force operated He 46s (on Wikipedia, for example), but they didn't--just He 45s and 51s.  I've also submitted this to The Snoops, Sensors, Spooks, & Spies GB.



In the mid-1930s, Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria initiated a rearmament policy which virtually ignored the restrictions of the Neuilly Treaty. On 28 July 1935, the war minister officially created the new Bulgarian Air Force (Vâzdushni Voyski).

In 1936 Hitler supplied the new air arm with 12 Heinkel He 51B fighters and 18 He 46 reconnaissance aircraft. These aircraft were the personal gift of Reichmarschall Hermann Göring to Boris III and were delivered in late 1936. The He 46 was nicknamed "Sova" (Owl) and was used by the Troop Yato (Squadron) of the 3. Army Orliak (Group) and the Recce Yato of the Training Orliak for the reconnaissance role. They served with the 2nd Army Orliak until 1942 and operated with the fuselage codes of 11, 22 and 33.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Bulgarian Heinkel He 46G Sova
« Reply #610 on: April 26, 2014, 06:44:29 AM »
That is nice! :)
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Bulgarian Heinkel He 46G Sova
« Reply #611 on: April 28, 2014, 10:59:06 AM »
It is. I love those pre-war Bulgarian markings! Nice work, Logan  :)
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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Bulgarian Heinkel He 46G Sova
« Reply #612 on: April 29, 2014, 03:07:47 AM »
Thanks, guys!

Cheers,

Logan

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Vought SB4U Viking - USS Wasp
« Reply #613 on: May 07, 2014, 01:17:41 AM »
As per usual with the Vikings, note that this is reduced to 33%. Click on the profile to see it on Photobucket where you can click again and see it at 100%. I've also submitted this to The Snoops, Sensors, Spooks, & Spies etc GB.



Rising sun ‘victory flags' were exceptional on SB4Us at any time. Erroneous profiles published in the past 30 years display 'meatballs' on some scout-bombers, especially the Scouting Two aircraft of Lt. (jg) Leppla and Radioman Liska. However, the USS Wasp’s two SB4U squadrons flaunted their success over Japanese aircraft at the start of the Guadalcanal campaign. Wasp's Vikings stole a march on the carrier's two fighter squadrons, with seven actual shootdowns before the F4Fs notched their first. VS-71's Lt. (jg) R L Howard shot down a Rabaul-based A6M2 fighter over Tulagi on 8 August 1942 at the start of the Guadalcanal campaign.



On 25 August, SB4U-4 BuNo 03315 was flown by two pilots to shoot down three Japanese aircraft. During the morning search at 0657 about 150 miles northwest of the force, VS-71's Lt. (jg) Chester V. Zalewski noticed a twin-float seaplane cruising at 1,500 feet. It fled towards some clouds, but Zalewski's below-rear attack swiftly flamed it. One crewman jumped from the burning plane, but never opened his chute. "Feeling pretty good over his achievement," as Zalewski later wrote, he resumed his search. At 0825, only 30 miles from home plate, he spotted a similar seaplane approaching about 500 feet above. This time he torched the enemy plane before the crew could react, and again a hapless Japanese jumped before his flaming aircraft crashed into the sea. The sharpshooting Zalewski destroyed two Type 0 reconnaissance seaplanes commanded by WO Nakamura Saburō and WO Adachi Hisaji from heavy cruiser Atago (Kondō's flagship). Lt. Roy E. Breen, Jr. (USNA 1939), of VS-72, shot up a third enemy seaplane, another Type 0 from the Myōkō, only 30 miles from TF-18. The Japanese got away, but only after Breen expended all his bullets.



Other than raising havoc with Kondō's morning search, the Wasp's SB4Us sighted no ships, because the Japanese drew northward out of range. From the AirSoPac morning search reports, Rear Admiral Noyes learned of more ships too distant to attack. More accessible targets appeared to westward. At 1007 Lt. James J. Murphy in 23-P-1 sighted Tanaka's battered invasion convoy, with the Kinryū Maru being abandoned. A little later, CACTUS announced Mangrum's attack. Hoping his forces would renew battle that morning, an impatient Nimitz sent the following to Ghormley and Fletcher: "Realize situation still critical but exchange of damage to date seems to be in our favor...Let's finish off those carriers." Fortunately the Japanese had withdrawn out of reach of the outmatched Wasp.



Noyes turned northwest, and at 1326 the Wasp dispatched Lieutenant Commander Beakley with twenty-four SB4Us and ten TBFs on a search/attack mission against the convoy. Among these aircraft was SB4U-4 BuNo 03315 that Zalewski had piloted that morning. While they took off a 14th Air Group Kawanishi Type 2 flying boat (Spec. Duty Ens. Itō Tatsuhisa) snooped TF-18 and at 1345 reported one carrier, two cruisers, and six destroyers ("whether enemy's or ours unknown") bearing 110 degrees and 514 miles from Shortland. Easing into position several miles to abeam as the Wasp planes climbed to 12,000 feet, Itō shadowed the strike group as it headed west toward his base. After about 40 minutes, the big Type 2 flying boat had foolishly closed within 3,000 yards of the nearest Wasp planes, which had finally noticed it. VS-71's 2nd Division of Lt. Morris R. Doughty, Ens. Howard N. Murphy, Lt. (jg) Charles H. Mester, and Ens. Robert A. Escher climbed above the target and rolled into a rear attack. The Japanese gunners could not prevent Doughty from igniting the right inboard engine. In deep trouble, Itō reefed the Kawanishi into a chandelle, but the other three SB4Us quickly charged in from the rear. At 9,000 feet the Type 2 shed its wings in a fiery explosion. VS-71 scored a remarkable victory against a tough, swift target.

Three documented victory flags on one Navy SB4U undoubtedly stood as a record. Since 8 August the two Wasp scouting squadrons, 71 and 72, shot down seven enemy aircraft, while a frustrated VF-71 had yet to even see an enemy plane aloft. All of these claims are substantiated by Japanese records, and Wasp's fighter pilots insisted that the SB4U pilots 'tend to their own business'!

Cheers,

Logan

Offline lauhof52

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Vought SB4U Viking - USS Wasp
« Reply #614 on: May 07, 2014, 01:26:44 PM »
Thanks Logan for the nice story and the beautiful SB4U! As Always a big fan of the viking :) :)

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Lauhof