Author Topic: Logan's Profiles - SdKfz 231 Halbkettenfahrzeug  (Read 198760 times)

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #240 on: December 01, 2012, 08:16:36 PM »
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Anyone want to take a guess at how many layers there are in the whole profile at the time I took this preview WIP?
about 10-15 for rivet and panel lines weathering, 2-4 for rivets and lines, 6-16 for highlights, and maybe another 10 for shadows, 4 just for colwling and lamps, 10-20 for bare metal texture... This give from  circa 35 to 70 layers.
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Nothing sucks more than trying to figure out what "Layer 19" was when you click it on and off and don't see anything change at all only to copy and paste and find its some minor little detail you forgot about.
Thats why i name them: wheel, wheel highlights, wheel shadow, tyre, lamp, wheathering this, wheatering that.. etc.

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #241 on: December 02, 2012, 01:07:39 AM »
You're both very low.  I group my layers, color code them, and name the groups.  I also name the individual layers as necessary.  I'm able to keep them decently well sorted by doing that.

As for a tablet, I haven't made a decision yet.  I'm thinking about one of the cheaper Wacom Bamboo Create tablets recommended by a family of graphic artists I go to church with.  Anyone here have any experience with the Bamboo line?

Cheers,

Logan
That sounds very much like using layers in CATIA V4 at work.  We have a definite convention to follow with respect to what goes where and it's very necessary with so many designers.  I'll hazard a WAG of 254 which is what that system is set up for.  Do you perhaps set up like several major companies do with a model layer map in each model (Yes, Bell does that and I know Boeing and what's currently Hawker-Beechcraft(soon, apparently to be Beechcraft as the jets are sold off) do - LM-Aero doesn't but conventions are enforced in the Check process).

Beyond that, the work looks great.  Having, and still doing, my share of fastener detailing - nutplates, rivets, screws, bolts, washers, etc., I know just how laborious it can be but how necessary it is to do properly.

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #242 on: December 02, 2012, 01:50:11 AM »
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Anyone want to take a guess at how many layers there are in the whole profile at the time I took this preview WIP?

about 10-15 for rivet and panel lines weathering, 2-4 for rivets and lines, 6-16 for highlights, and maybe another 10 for shadows, 4 just for colwling and lamps, 10-20 for bare metal texture... This give from  circa 35 to 70 layers.

You have the right idea, but you've way low-balled my current count on rivet lines.  Also, you're estimate would be closer if we were just talking visible layeres, but a lot of layers go into those 16 visible lighting layers, for instance.  Finally, you're close on one part of the boom, but not the whole drawing.

Beyond that, the work looks great.  Having, and still doing, my share of fastener detailing - nutplates, rivets, screws, bolts, washers, etc., I know just how laborious it can be but how necessary it is to do properly.


Thanks, you're not kidding about how laborious it can be.  Fortunately I do take comfort in the fact that even when I guess wrong, this is still the most accurate P-61 boom profiled that I've ever seen.  Also, given the couple hundred dollars worth of P-61 books I've accumulated for the project and I still don't have the detail I need, I can safely say that the only people that could call me out on my mistakes either have direct access to a P-61C up close (both of which I've seen in person myself, too), or access to a large stash of unpublished photographs of bare metal P-61s (unlikely).

As for the layer count, [ur=http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg580445.html#msg580445]perttime has had the closest guess for the whole thing over on the What If forums with ~1,500 layers[/url].  Still a little low, but he's definitely close.

Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #243 on: December 02, 2012, 06:16:34 AM »
And that's why we can overlay models in design, to keep within the Layer restrictions of the system.  I suspect you may hit system requirements restrictions at some point as I know that if I overlay too many, or too dense, models, the system starts to get "balky". 

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #244 on: December 02, 2012, 06:36:57 AM »
Yeah, I understand.  I always eliminate the unnecessary layers and consolidate the visible ones into as few as possible.  When I finish this one, I'll probably be a bit over 2000 layers.  I'll try to consolidate that down to a few hundred when I prep it for the first couple of profiles.

Thanks,

Logan

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #245 on: December 02, 2012, 02:37:28 PM »
As I said on Arc's thread, I'm still driving myself crazy one rivet at a time with this P-61.  Just the aft portion of the boom and the vertical tail to go!

Update for tonight:



As for the layers, I'm going to give it to pert with his guess of 1500.  The actual number of layers when I asked?  1851.  Now it's probably closer to 1900, maybe a bit over.  It'll be well over 2000 by the time it's done, but I'll try to consolidate it to closer to 10% of that when I convert it to "production" mode.

Cheers,

Logan

Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #246 on: December 02, 2012, 08:12:14 PM »
Blimey! That's incredibly impressive!

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #247 on: December 02, 2012, 11:21:08 PM »
Coming along nicely

On tablets, Wacom is the standard, the bamboo line is very good. You can get a decent bamboo tablet for 99 bucks. I have an older wacom, and its workign fine and does the job.

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #248 on: December 05, 2012, 02:11:59 PM »
Thanks, folks.  Want to see what I'm working on now?  This is the piece I've got to do:





...and here's what I did:



...and with lighting & shading:



It's coming along.  Now I just need to do the tail.

Unfortunately, I fear that I'm turning into this.

http://www.anyclip.com/movies/the-aviator/the-rivets-must-be-flush/

Cheers,

Logan

Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #249 on: December 09, 2012, 11:09:11 AM »
You guys want another WIP to see how much is involved in all these rivets and to get a look an inside glimpse into how it looks when I work on one of these?

And some of you modelers think you have messy workbenches!



By the way, if you don't get the reference to the current thread/post subject, just watch this (go to 22:11):



Cheers,

Logan

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #250 on: December 09, 2012, 11:26:59 AM »
I've always loved that particular cartoon.  It's right up there with "What's Opera Doc?" on my all-time favorites list.

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #251 on: December 09, 2012, 11:54:40 PM »
Logan, I think one of your rivets needed to be rotated 10 degrees.  ;D    This is looking mighty fine!  :-*
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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #252 on: December 10, 2012, 05:30:14 AM »
Clockwise...not counter-clockwise... ;)
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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #253 on: December 10, 2012, 07:35:22 AM »
They're also about 0.25mm too big, please re-scale immediately  >:(

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Re: Logan's Profiles - Japanese A9He1-N "Wade" Floatplane
« Reply #254 on: December 11, 2012, 05:52:14 AM »
They're also about 0.25mm too big, please re-scale immediately...

Yeah but has any rivet experten actually counted them all yet?  >:D
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