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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2013, 03:44:35 PM »
The Vought aircraft was a contemporary and competitor of the TBF, not a replacement.
Grumman, Vought, Brewster, Douglas, Hall and Vultee all tendered one or more configurations
to the same USN RFP on August 24, 1939. From a total of thirteen proposals the Navy whittled
it down to three designs from Brewster, Grumman and Vought. By 3 November they had decided
to procure two prototypes from Grumman (XTBF-1)and one from Vought (XTBU-1). The contracts
were not awarded until April, 1940.

After experiencing major structural problems in testing, the XTBU-1 rear fuselage tore off in an
arrested landing test at Anacostia, Vought had to do some redesign. The production was assigned
to Consolidated because Vought did not the capacity to produce the TBU-1 because of other
production commitments, so it was turned over to Consolidated-Vultee in Allentown, Pa. as the
TBY. The first TBY-2 was not delivered until November 1944. 189 were built before the contract
was canceled. Two squadrons were preparing for deployment overseas, however the TBY-2s
were withdrawn from service and replaced by TBMs because it was felt that the aircraft still had
too many bugs to be used operationally. Some remained in use as utility and reserve aircraft.

Grumman Aircraft since 1929, Francillon, Putnam/NIP 1989

The Corsair and Other Aeroplanes Vought 1917 - 1977, Moran, HAA 1978, 2nd printing 1991
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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2013, 12:18:42 AM »
They were contemporaries like the Valiant and the Victor were, though.  The Navy realized the XTBU was the better aircraft but the XTBF would make it into service quicker.  It was decided to build both, having the Sea Wolf replace the Avenger once it got into service.  Well, the Avenger proved to be better than expected, torpedo bombing diminished in importance, and Consolidated was more incompetent than anyone could have predicted.  As a result, instead of replacing the Avenger as the Navy had intended in 1940-41, the Sea Wolf was quietly canceled and forgotten.

My sources for this are the Naval Fighters titles on the Sea Wolf and Skypirate.

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2016, 05:13:09 AM »
A different sort of Avenger:

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2017, 01:14:01 PM »
Turbo Avenger French (Alizé) and British (Gannet) style


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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2017, 02:19:23 AM »
Interesting
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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2017, 10:14:39 AM »
I like those Carlos, only thing I would comment on is where the main gear is. As both the Alize and Gannet had nose wheels, I'd flip the main gear in the wing to the other side of the main spar.

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2017, 10:26:03 AM »
Wow Carlos! Great mash-ups. Lots of inspiration here.
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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2017, 11:48:00 PM »
Cool.  :icon_fsm:

Running the exhaust all the way back to behind the wing, however, would be highly problematic,
for space reasons, and you'd cook all the crew.

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2017, 04:12:38 AM »
Cooking the crew was my first reaction. The ducting is also running through the top edge of weapons bay, I think.

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2017, 05:47:23 AM »
Could be useful for high-altitude work then...  :P

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2017, 06:00:11 AM »
Cool.

Running the exhaust all the way back to behind the wing, however, would be highly problematic,
for space reasons, and you'd cook all the crew.
Agreed.  Too, that long exhaust duct would complicate starting due to back-pressure (Swearingen had to resort to lots of manipulations with the long exhausts on the Merlin III/Merlin IV, and Metro).

I would suggest exhausts above the wing just far enough aft of the engines to get a low-loss exhaust duct; that way you don't affect anything leaving the weapons bay.

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2017, 08:58:51 AM »
Exhaust ducts are in same positon than in Gannet. ??? ::)

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2017, 12:26:33 PM »
Exhaust ducts are in same positon than in Gannet. ??? ::)


The Gannet was designed for that installation, the Avenger was not, the Avenger crew
areas fill the width of the fuselage, there's no where to run the exhaust ducts.

On the Gannett AEW.3 the exhaust ducts were relocated.

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2020, 04:50:26 AM »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2020, 03:23:35 AM »
Land based Avengers:

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Re: Grumman Avenger ideas and inspiration
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2020, 09:25:22 AM »
Land based Avengers:


Hmm, perhaps a whiff in USAAF camouflage and markings?