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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2012, 11:28:49 AM »
Love it! I bet that Finnish example is the first one to evolve a cockpit canopy! Brrr ...  :o
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2012, 12:37:37 PM »
Flying Frozen Finns!  :-)

I like all the open cockpit/spatted profiles guys!  Thanks for the efforts.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2012, 01:52:31 PM »
if you check, I've replaced the above Spanish war ones with more appropiate early engines.

Now for the first one with a full canopy


The early 3-tone cam was a bit spikey !

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2012, 08:30:56 AM »
To navalize a Bf-110 for carrier-torpedo-bomber use aboard the Italian carrier Aquila, Macchi of Italy added a third engine (Tifone DB-601 clone), wingtips, made the double tail into triple tails, added the Me-410 cockpit/canopy and remotely-firing rear defense guns (plus torpedo, of course!) and created a folding wing. A Squadron of Mc 605's were set to do a "Doolittle Raid" (launched by carriers, land on home base) on Alexandria and any shipping in the Suez. By the time the attack was ready to be launched the Italians had capitulated.

Italy and the carrier Aquila surrendered to the Allies, and was prepped for use against the Japanese in Indonesia. Fascist Italian markings gave way to new "Allied Italian" stars-and-bars using Italy's red, white, and green. The red was eventually deleted when the Aquila arrived in the Far East (so as not to have any red that might be mistaken for a Hinomaru), but the attractive three-color style was used by the United States post-War using blue.



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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2012, 02:27:00 PM »
So inspiring  :-*      Kit-bashing gray cells are wide awake  :o

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2012, 09:58:45 AM »
Back to the spatted, open cockpit variant:   H-S 12Y with the twin blade prop a la Avia 534 series III.   
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2012, 02:30:57 PM »
A real-world project, the Bf-162 was a slightly-oversized Bf-110 with a glass nose--a "competitor" in a bid for official production that was won by the Ju-88 instead.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2013, 02:30:32 AM »
Random Idea:  Finnish Bf110
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2013, 08:35:32 AM »
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »
Bf110 license-built in Spain and later re-engined with Merlins, much like the Buchon was.  Since a Bf110 engine cowling was used on the DB-powered Spitfire the Luftwaffe tested, perhaps Spitfire engine cowlings could be used here.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2013, 02:35:13 AM »
Bf110 license-built in Spain and later re-engined with Merlins, much like the Buchon was.  Since a Bf110 engine cowling was used on the DB-powered Spitfire the Luftwaffe tested, perhaps Spitfire engine cowlings could be used here.


Na, Hispano 12Z powered Ha 1109 K-1L type cowlings with the Italian-style cheek oil coolers. 
Just like its single-engined stablemate it will look cool and perform like crap. ;D





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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2013, 03:03:52 AM »
How would the Bf 110 handle a pair of Junkers Jumo 213s?

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2013, 08:09:08 AM »
How about a Turbo-Prop powered, tricycle undercarriaged, single-seat Bf110?

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2013, 01:05:35 PM »
I don't know that I've ever seen it mentioned, were there /Trop versions of the Bf110 and follow-ons similar to the sand filters added to the Bf109 and MC.202 for desert operations?   that could make for interesting markings options for North African operations.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2013, 07:25:41 PM »
Yes there were definitely "Tropicalised" versions of the Bf110:




I believe they were mainly C and E variants.  "Tropicalisation" consisted of adding a dust filter on the port wing air intake and also redesigned nacelles featuring deeper oil cooler housings
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2013, 08:18:32 PM »
Which leads one to wonder what Tropicalized Me210's and Me410s would look like.  Methinks this could be done as a subtle whif.

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2013, 01:58:35 AM »
I like the subtle whiff idea. :)

I doubt anything on the 210 given their curtailed operational use.  The Me410 would be possible though.  I know they were used operationally in the Mediterranean but I don't know if any were given a Trop modification.  Will check up more this weekend.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2013, 03:24:38 AM »
Thinking about this a bit more, I quite like the idea of a Me410 in ANR markings similar to below:

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2013, 11:01:10 PM »
Me 210/410 torpedo bomber: Early stages of thought design but use TBF wings (I checked and they do fit), add a Junkers Jumo 211D upfront (JU-87?) and a tail hook.  Me510T?
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2013, 04:06:47 AM »
The Me410 was trialed with a torpedo in real life.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2015, 02:31:36 AM »
Random ideas:

Turkish Bf110
Spanish Bf110
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