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Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« on: April 29, 2012, 06:13:05 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration.

To begin with, what a bout a scale-o-ramed fighter based upon a Tu-22?

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 06:15:52 AM »
Another...Delta Tu-22:

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 09:18:32 AM »
I've got an early resin kit of a "Tu-26 Backfire" from the early 1980s with TU-22-style cockpits.  It's lacking inlets so I'm going to add inlets like the Tu-22M3 and hang long-range AAMs under the wings as a "Tu26P" interceptor.  It will be in PVO Strany markings but I'm not sure what the NATO Codename{/i] will be.  If my tongue was lodged firmly in cheek, it would be Fireback.

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 10:49:56 AM »
I have toyed with the idea of a Tu-22MP long range ultra interceptor.  This would comprise of a Tu-22M3 but with Zalson derived AESA radar (from MiG-31 but better) plus a heap of R-33/R-37 missiles in both internal weapons bay and underwing pylons.  Crew would comprise pilot, nav/EW office + 2 WSOs responsible for the offensive load.  Idea would be for this to be the ultimate replacement for the Tu-128 and able to take on whole waves of enemy bombers or cruise missiles.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2012, 12:50:54 PM »
I have toyed with the idea of a Tu-22MP long range ultra interceptor. <...> the ultimate replacement for the Tu-128 and able to take on whole waves of enemy bombers or cruise missiles.

That... or as an escort for packages of anti-shipping Backfires.   >:D To target the fleet-defending E-2 Hawkeyes and F-14 Tomcats, making life easier for ship-pounding Badgers and Backfires. Either with proper AAMs as you suggest or with a dedicated version of the AS-9 Kyle ARM specifically targeting the radars of Hawkeyes and Tomcats. Or maybe an AAM version of either the AS-4 Kitchen or AS-6 Kingfish with their ultra-long range?
I'd think taking out a Hawkeye or two could seriously impact the counter-air capabilities of a carrier battle group.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2012, 01:03:32 PM »
I think an AAM based on the AS-4 or AS-6 would be overkill plus limiting in capacity.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2012, 01:22:35 PM »
Yes, for the Tomcats definitely. But for taking out an important asset such as an E-2 (or an E-3 out of the UK or Iceland)? Still a stretch, but might be worth it.

Maybe an AAM version of the AS-16 Kickback? Still very long range and fantastic speed, but with up to six rounds in a rotary launcher in the bomb bay.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2012, 01:29:43 PM »
Maybe, but I doubt it would be that effective...maybe too big to be manoeverable enough.  I might simple add a long rang booster to a R-33 or R-37 to achieve the same.  In fact apparently the R-37M has a jettisonable rocket booster that increases the range to "300-400km".
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 02:35:54 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2012, 02:41:09 AM »
Maybe a fast executive transport based upon the Blinder?

Or alternately, a standoff recon platform version of the Tu-22 or Tu-22M that uses a Recon RPV derivative of the Kh-22 (AS-4 Kitchen).  This would replace the warhead with a sensor package.  It would be launched near the target, go in and collect data and then turn around and get recovered in friendly territory.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2012, 02:41:35 AM »
Just a cool, inspiring picture:

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 03:33:27 AM »
Talk about an understatement!!!  That's a digital creation of some sort isn't it?  Looks way to polished for a real photo.  Where did you find it?!
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 03:40:14 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 04:35:09 AM »
A fighter version of the Backfire would have played merry hell with the air bridge across the Atlantic during the Cold War period. Imagine a Backfire with a load of AAMs getting loose in the transport stream flying troops over during REFORGER.
 
Maybe more interesting would be a gunslinger carrying a turret or two, or even fixed guns, to engage the transports in passing.
 
The big challenge is breaking out of the GIUK Gap and facing the F-15's out of Keflavik and the RAF Tornados out of the northern airbases. Sadly, beating up on the Norwegian F-16's out of Bodo and Bardufoss isn't that hard for the Naval Aviation assets available on the Kola Peninsula.   

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 10:27:38 AM »
I have toyed with the idea of a Tu-22MP long range ultra interceptor. <...> the ultimate replacement for the Tu-128 and able to take on whole waves of enemy bombers or cruise missiles.

That... or as an escort for packages of anti-shipping Backfires.   >:D To target the fleet-defending E-2 Hawkeyes and F-14 Tomcats, making life easier for ship-pounding Badgers and Backfires. Either with proper AAMs as you suggest or with a dedicated version of the AS-9 Kyle ARM specifically targeting the radars of Hawkeyes and Tomcats. Or maybe an AAM version of either the AS-4 Kitchen or AS-6 Kingfish with their ultra-long range?
I'd think taking out a Hawkeye or two could seriously impact the counter-air capabilities of a carrier battle group.
I don't remember the designations, but I'd use AAM versions of the existing integral-rocket-ramjet ARMs to go after Hawkeyes and other airborne radars and the ARM verion os the Kh-41 to clear the Aegis platforms out.  Loss of all major command and control platforms would leave a battle group much more vulnerable.

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 06:03:15 PM »
I think you are thinking of the Kh-31 which has been rumoured to have an anti-AWACS capability:

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 07:34:25 PM »
Another...Delta Tu-22:




Me like! Almost looks like a Mirage 4 Spin-off. A kit of that plane could get pretty close.

A spin-off of the 22' Blinder was what I used for the Myasischev 44 wingbody art a few weeks back.

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 01:08:54 PM »
I think you are thinking of the Kh-31 which has been rumoured to have an anti-AWACS capability:



Yeah, I could see a strike force approaching a carrier battle group and firing those to take out the E-2s and ARM variants of the Kh-41 to take out the Aegis cruisers.  That would greatly reduce the odds against such a strike force - and if the strike force had l-o aircraft in the van to launch these...(hmm, I would if a Kh-31 or two would fit a J-20's weapons bay?)>

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 05:48:12 AM »
<...> (hmm, I would if a Kh-31 or two would fit a J-20's weapons bay?) <...>
If the Trumpeter 1/72 kit is anything to go by, no.  :( The weapons bay doors on the Trumpeter kit are around 6 cm long, which would translate to 432 cm in real life. The actual bays are probably a bit smaller. The Kh-31 is, by variant, either 470 cm or 523 cm long.
Doesn't mean that you can't have a shorter missile/longer weapons bay in whiffworld.  >:D
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2012, 01:59:47 AM »
Blinder, stretched some 15%.   
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2012, 04:21:31 AM »
Blinder, stretched some 15%.

Immediately ahead of the wing?
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2012, 04:26:40 AM »
A couple of fantasies by someone:



BTW, if you believe some reports, the lower PLAAF one might become reality soon...though I personally think it will remain in the whiff verse.
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Immediately ahead of the wing?

Yes.  To counterbalance heavier, slightly longer engines which have virtually the same bore.   
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2012, 04:34:49 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2012, 05:43:26 PM »
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2012, 05:21:22 AM »
A couple of cool Tu-22M3 Videos for you:

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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2012, 05:05:40 PM »
Wow the old Backfire!
You can't but be impressed by its Soviet philosophy of brute-force to achieve it's high speed!!
Loved the videos thanks Greg!!

What about a Tu-22M4 variant GTX?
This would consist of a typical Soviet revamp of an existing design philosophy to squeeze that little bit more out of a proven design.
This would predominantly entail cleaning up the original 'boxy' aerodynamic Tu-22M ancestry = superior aerodynamics and an improved empty weight reduction to improve both fuel burn = greater range and better offensive war load! This would also contribute somewhat to reducing the Backfires RCS!
To start off what about a new twin tail fin configuration (aka MiG-31 or Su-27 style) in-place of the massive single slab design!!



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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2012, 06:10:40 PM »
I seem to recall reading that there already was a M4/M5 variant so maybe a M6 version.  I like the other ideas though.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2012, 06:30:46 PM »
Tupolev Tu-22M6 it is then!!

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2013, 04:40:59 AM »
Further to the idea of a Delta Winged Tu-22, if one looks at this pic (below) and squints just enough, it looks like just such a creature ;):



Now if only someone did a Tu-22 in 1/48...sigh!
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 10:50:55 AM »
^ Oh yeah!  :) Would need sizeable canards jut aft of the cockpits, of course!  ;)

Hmmm, Concordski wings on a Tu-22 fuselage, with stabilator-sized canards just behind the cockpit. Hmmmmm.

<...>
Now if only someone did a Tu-22 in 1/481/144...sigh!

Fixed that for you!  :) Come on, Trumpeter, you know you want to!  8)
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2013, 11:01:47 AM »
<...>
Now if only someone did a Tu-22 in 1/481/144...sigh!

Fixed that for you!  :)

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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2013, 07:00:03 AM »
<...> Hmmm, Concordski wings on a Tu-22 fuselage, with stabilator-sized canards just behind the cockpit. Hmmmmm. <...>


Went ahead and did one. No clue whether the Tu-144 wings are in the same scale, though. Just went for something that looked about right.




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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2013, 07:22:33 AM »
My Tu-148 'Frisky' (1/144 Tu-22M scaled into a 1/72 interceptor) took a step closer to reality today as I have found a suitable cockpit to fit, a Mirage F.1.

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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2013, 05:55:24 PM »
Damn that looks good! :)
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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2013, 12:11:15 AM »
My Tu-148 'Frisky' (1/144 Tu-22M scaled into a 1/72 interceptor) took a step closer to reality today as I have found a suitable cockpit to fit, a Mirage F.1.
Yielding an aircraft roughly the size of the MiG-25?  Your choice of designation is interesting because Tupelov's "Aircraft 148" was a large supersonic v-g fighter to replace the Tu-28.

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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2013, 09:44:59 PM »
I have the Frisky next to a MiG-25U and a La-250 on the shelf and it is significantly smaller than both. Much more like a 'bulked up' Su-22 in terms of size. The 148 designator was definitely intentional. A later proposal for the Tu-148 in the book OKB Tupolev appears very much to be a scaled down Backfire. The nearest to it on the internet that I can find is here (toward the bottom of the page):

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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 11:31:39 PM »
I've got a nominally 1/126 display model kit of a Tu-26 "Backfire" from back in the early 80's when it was thought to have a cockpit and front section like the Blinder's.  I'm going to build it as a 1/144 Tu-26P "Firewall" long-range interceptor.

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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2013, 05:45:08 AM »
Here is what I did with a 1/144th scale Backfire and a 1/72nd scale Flagon

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,28246.0.html
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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2013, 07:44:49 AM »
^ Ahhhh!!! That is very similar to what I originally had in mind and it is probably your build that inspired me in the first place!

Was it just a "simple" cut and shut between the Flagon and Backfire? I have a spare Flagon and may try to replicate it if that is alright with you?

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2013, 11:46:02 PM »
^ Ahhhh!!! That is very similar to what I originally had in mind and it is probably your build that inspired me in the first place!

Was it just a "simple" cut and shut between the Flagon and Backfire? I have a spare Flagon and may try to replicate it if that is alright with you?
Go for it, it was a very easy piece of surgery, I used the minicraft tu-22 and a PM su-15/21. I should have bought another tu-22 when I saw one at a model show, but at the time was a bit strapped for cash, I would like to do a version with air to ground ordnance on it too, and paint it in a middle eastern colour scheme, perhaps Egyptian or Iraqi, or give it a jungle scheme and cartel markings.
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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2013, 11:50:04 PM »
Up rate the engines on the Blinder.  Dedicated Recce version. 
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2013, 03:33:31 AM »
Maybe give the Tu-22 a makeover with an intake like the Sukhoi-Gulfstream S-21:

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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2013, 08:10:01 AM »
From what I've read, Tupelov has studied inlets along those lines.  Say, have the final dual inlet resemble the intake from the F-107 (might be just the 1/72 inlet to use on a 1/144 Tu-22).

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« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2013, 09:17:10 AM »
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« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2013, 11:24:46 AM »
Oh yeah!
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« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2013, 12:50:47 PM »
3-engined Blinder:
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Tis... tis beautiful!   :-*
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Image of Tu-22 dropping bombs:

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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2015, 01:23:19 PM »
How about refitting the Blinder with turbofans?

Given the podded nature of the blinder's engine installation, it couldn't be that hard to refit it with an afterburning version of the kolesov RD-36-51. At least I wouldn't think so.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2015, 03:14:32 PM »
Been mulling a Blinder build using SR-71 engines.  US markings.

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2016, 06:09:36 AM »
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2019, 01:45:17 AM »
Random idea:  Cuban Tu-22.  With an unrefueled combat radius of between 1300 - 2450km (depending upon variant) it could potentially cover a fair chunk of the USA from bases in Cuba.  With either freewill bombs or AS-4 Kitcen staff missiles, one could certainly imagine this becoming a major focus for USAF/USNG/USN interceptors.

Either way, imagine Tu-22s in this sort of scheme:

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