Author Topic: Empty Handed's Profiles (Read 193162 times)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #200 on:** April 11, 2012, 03:09:00 AM »

Nice ones.

AXOR · « **Reply #201 on:** April 11, 2012, 04:40:42 AM »

I like the USN one.

Alex

apophenia · « **Reply #202 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:10:39 AM »

Very much liking those Demons-for-two! :)

Empty Handed · « **Reply #203 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:33:22 AM »

Thanks guys!

Bristol Bulwark AS.1 820 NAS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The Bristol Bulwark AS.1 was Bristol's equivalent to the Short SB.3. Powered by two A.S. Mambas and featuring the anti-submarine radar and operator compartment in the bulged forward fuselage, the Bulwark nevertheless had a high degree of commonality with it's Buccaneer sibling. Here, an 820 NAS aircraft patrols for Soviet submarines from HMS Perseus.

SB.3: http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AE/AE03-5/73-1.jpg

Cliffy B · « **Reply #204 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:47:01 AM »

Super, super cool man!!!! It looks a lot better than Short's version. Wonder how well it would have compared to the Tracker?

apophenia · « **Reply #205 on:** April 25, 2012, 10:47:25 AM »

Excellent ... I was hoping that you'd develop the Buccaneer further! A minor note is engine position. Turboprops (even early ones) are really light compared to piston engines.

The Mamba's dry weight was only 780 lb whereas as V12s, Erinyes would be in the 1700-to-2000 lb range. So maybe the Bulwark should have longer engine-bearers to push the Mambas further forward?

Empty Handed · « **Reply #206 on:** April 25, 2012, 06:46:48 PM »

The Mambas are further forward of the wing than it's piston engined forebearer. The nose is longer, which gives the illusion that the nacelles are no different. I only made a minor change as there is already a great deal of extra mass forward.

I accept that it is somewhat less stable than the Buccaneer but the bulged keel and increased rudder area will compensate somewhat. As would powered flying controls!

Cliffy B, the Brigand that it is based on is actually slightly larger than the Tracker (which surprised me). So to operate off of a British carrier deck it would probably have to go with an elaborate double-wingfold system and possibly also a tailfold. I suspect it would be the Trackers equal in load-hauling but would probably not be able to accommodate changes in systems like the S-2 did due to the narrower fuselage.

The forward-sector only radar is also a little limiting. I may try a mark 2 with a retractable dustbin radar in the nose. I wanted to go with a family resemblance thing - the bulbous nose is based on the Bristol Freighter.

apophenia · « **Reply #207 on:** April 26, 2012, 08:31:50 AM »

EH: thanks for the correction

Empty Handed · « **Reply #208 on:** April 26, 2012, 07:41:41 PM »

Oh apophenia, please don't get me wrong! You were absolutely correct. I had to double check myself with the little measuring tool in GIMP! I really appreciate someone challenging some of my design choices and being able to explain some of the thought processesssesesessss (?) behind it!

Empty Handed · « **Reply #209 on:** April 27, 2012, 04:09:32 AM »

Bristol Bulwark AS.2 Prototype Farnborough 1950 by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The prototype Bulwark AS.2 performs at Farnborough in 1950. Disappointed with the performance of the fixed radar in the AS.1, Bristol fitted a revised nose to the AS.2 with a rotating radar in the chin position.

The canopy was revised to dispense with excess glazing as it was thought that targets would be prosecuted by radar alone. In practice, pilots appreciated the ability to have extra eyes out and production AS.2s returned to a larger canopy.

Another abortive feature of the prototype was the installation of an A.S. Adder turbojet in the tail with two intakes mounted dorsally. This was to facilitate higher transit and, if necessary, escape speeds. Production aircraft dispensed with Armstrong Siddeley powerplants altogether in favour of two more powerful Bristol Nereus turboprops. It had been the cause of some embarrassment for a Bristol aircraft to fly with A.S. engines, as Bristol had no equivalent to the Mamba. The Nereus was designed to rectify this gap in the Bristol product line.

Brian da Basher · « **Reply #210 on:** April 27, 2012, 04:11:23 AM »

Your work has this "ghostly" quality of realism that I find just draws me in and your Bulwark AS.2 is a fine example! You're really showing off your talent with this beauty!

Brian da Basher

apophenia · « **Reply #211 on:** April 27, 2012, 06:15:24 AM »

I love the names you choose EH! And good to see that you're staying with the Sea-God theme for the small turboprop. Would the Nereus be a mini Theseus?

The AS Mamba/Adder would have made a natural pairing. Will Bristol Aero-Engines develop a similar turbojet version of the Nereus? If not, the Turbomeca Marboré is not too far off if Bristol wants to avoid their rivals from Coventry

Empty Handed · « **Reply #212 on:** April 30, 2012, 01:08:52 AM »

Well I would go with something of a proto-Orpheus as the single centrifugal stage of the Theseus would mess up my nacelle!!

How about Bristol Thetis (a Nereid) for a turbojet development?

Bristol Bulwark AS.2B 815 NAS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

A Bulwark AS.2B of 815 NAS restarts it's port engine at the end of a long patrol prior to returning to the carrier.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #213 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:54:51 AM »

That's nice.

arc3371 · « **Reply #214 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:07:11 AM »

Great profil and an interesting colour scheme

apophenia · « **Reply #215 on:** April 30, 2012, 09:49:33 AM »

Quote from: Empty Handed on April 30, 2012, 01:08:52 AM

How about Bristol Thetis (a Nereid) for a turbojet development?

Thetis works. I had a glance at a Nereids names list and was surprised to see there were none starting with 'B'

I kind of liked Thoe (Nereis of swift voyages) and Nausithoe (Nereis of swift ships) but neither exactly trips off the tongue in English.

http://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Nereides.html

Empty Handed · « **Reply #216 on:** April 30, 2012, 10:34:00 AM »

Thanks guys!

Thanks for the link, apophenia. Might have to name a missile NEMERTES, the unerring!

Thought I'd re-do a previous Bristol design, the Bristol Brazen while I'm at it. It is an older drawing but it cleans up quite nicely.

Bristol Brazen S.3 RN Aden Defence Flight by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

A Proteus-powered Bristol Brazen S.3 of the Aden Port Defence Flight.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #217 on:** April 30, 2012, 06:05:15 PM »

I like that one.

Empty Handed · « **Reply #218 on:** May 02, 2012, 08:35:38 AM »

Blackburn Murrelet I 803 NAS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

The Blackburn Murrelet (with Rolls-Royce Merlin C and two-bladed prop) was the FAA's intermediary between the biplane fighters like the Hawker Nimrod and the wartime fighters such as the Hawker Sea Hurricane.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #219 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:41:34 AM »

cute...

finsrin · « **Reply #220 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:46:34 AM »

Looks ripe for kit-bashing to "superize"

Empty Handed · « **Reply #221 on:** May 02, 2012, 08:27:54 PM »

Quote from: finsrin on May 02, 2012, 10:46:34 AM

Looks ripe for kit-bashing to "superize"

Ahhhh! There goes that surprise then!

Actually I was planning on using elements of the Blackburn B.44 (minus floats) but retaining something of the humpback look that the Murrelet and it's predecessor, the F.7/30 seem to have.

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/9315.htm
http://rp-one.net/profiles/profiles_sky_1.html#image_4

apophenia · « **Reply #222 on:** May 07, 2012, 09:41:38 AM »

The Murrelet follow-on is looking good! I'd worked out a light twin based on the Jug as well but never got it past the pencil sketch stage ... snooze ya lose

Empty Handed · « **Reply #223 on:** May 07, 2012, 09:43:50 AM »

Thanks! I'd still like to see your twin-Jug. Always good to have multiple takes.

Blackburn Kittiwake NF.1 1790 NAS by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Blackburn Kittiwake NF.1 of 1790 NAS.

apophenia · « **Reply #224 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:01:12 AM »

Your Blackburn Kittiwake is a brute! I love it :)

Quote from: Empty Handed on May 07, 2012, 09:43:50 AM

Thanks! I'd still like to see your twin-Jug. Always good to have multiple takes.

Hmmm, might just have to finish her


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