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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2012, 04:02:07 PM »
Lockheed built CL-1200 variant of F-104.
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 07:10:17 PM »
Here you go, Carl!




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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2012, 08:48:16 PM »
Folks,  I have renamed this thread "F-104 Ideas and Inspiration" so as to allow for broader discussions.

To start with - Delta F-104 anyone:



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Someone built one of those and posted it on What-If ages ago - looked every bit as good in the plastic as yours does in the pixels.... 8)

My personal thoughts on the best way to "improve" a Starfighter revolve around replacing the radar with a guidance system and the cockpit with a large warhead, thereby turning it into the missile-without-a-man-in-it.....  >:D

Vortices from canards could have some "interesting" interactions with the tailplane at high AoAs: it might be possible to exploit them to positive effect of course, but I suspect they be more of a problem than a benefit. One solution might be to eliminate the tailplane altogether: extend the intake ducts to put them just behind the cockpit, then fit tailplane-size canards on them, at about the same distance from the CofG as the tailplanes were. You could leave the intakes as-is, or you could replace them with F-15 style horizontal ramp ones to really exploit the pressure-recovery of having the canards above them...
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2012, 02:38:11 AM »
Detachable Recon Nose:

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2012, 02:39:13 AM »
F-104 Viper:

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2012, 03:54:59 AM »
Viper version - thatz it, a kit bash in waiting for someone on this forum.
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2012, 12:47:40 PM »
Did someone suggest a missile without a man in it?

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2012, 03:56:47 AM »
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Vortices from canards could have some "interesting" interactions with the tailplane at high AoAs: it might be possible to exploit them to positive effect of course, but I suspect they be more of a problem than a benefit. One solution might be to eliminate the tailplane altogether: extend the intake ducts to put them just behind the cockpit, then fit tailplane-size canards on them, at about the same distance from the CofG as the tailplanes were. You could leave the intakes as-is, or you could replace them with F-15 style horizontal ramp ones to really exploit the pressure-recovery of having the canards above them...



Something like this, then?
The F-15 intakes have been cut to about 2/3 of their original width.







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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2012, 04:23:08 AM »
Yes please!!!! :-*
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2012, 04:41:36 AM »
ooh, that's starting to look very Russian, ChernayaAkula !!
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2012, 11:43:23 AM »
^ I'm not really sure just what it reminds me of, but it does ring a few (distant) bells.... ALR Prinaha? Convair 200 VTOL design?

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2012, 03:12:50 AM »
I think I prefer your first one - looked more natural.
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2012, 03:16:45 AM »
^ I'm not really sure just what it reminds me of, but it does ring a few (distant) bells.... ALR Prinaha? Convair 200 VTOL design?


Reminds me a bit of the XFV-12:





or obviously, the F-104CCV:


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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2012, 02:39:56 PM »
F-15 intakes -  8)
Probablly build that with 1/100 F-15 intakes on 1/72 F-104.

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 04:18:14 AM »
F-15 intakes -  8)
Probablly build that with 1/100 F-15 intakes on 1/72 F-104.
You'd need to do a bit of work, but an exhaust nozzle from that 1/100 F-15 could be used as a starting point to put a PW1120 on that project.