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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #120 on: March 20, 2018, 07:35:53 AM »
What I wanted to qualify as 'Perfect' is this. :smiley:



Presumably it drops its tip tanks when it needs to go "full stealth" as they make, both by themselves and in the sharp intersections with the leading and trailing edges, excellent radar reflectors.  You might be able to reduce it by making them of composite with RAM incorporated in it, but that still leaves the intersections to create reflectors.

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #121 on: March 20, 2018, 08:02:26 AM »
If you're going full sci-fi like that, there's always this thing (which I was astonished not to see in the thread already):



The Sv-152 Svärd Variable Fighter (i.e. it transforms into a robot), designed by Shoji Kawamori. This is one of like three images that exists of it, it only featured as stills in flashbacks in Macross Delta, but despite some people's initial interpretations, this is very clearly an F-104-derived design...

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #122 on: March 20, 2018, 08:34:14 PM »
What I wanted to qualify as 'Perfect' is this. :smiley:



Presumably it drops its tip tanks when it needs to go "full stealth" as they make, both by themselves and in the sharp intersections with the leading and trailing edges, excellent radar reflectors.  You might be able to reduce it by making them of composite with RAM incorporated in it, but that still leaves the intersections to create reflectors.


Or have them shaped like those multi-mission pods the F-35 is getting.

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #123 on: March 21, 2018, 08:18:30 AM »
If you're going full sci-fi like that, there's always this thing (which I was astonished not to see in the thread already):



The Sv-152 Svärd Variable Fighter (i.e. it transforms into a robot), designed by Shoji Kawamori. This is one of like three images that exists of it, it only featured as stills in flashbacks in Macross Delta, but despite some people's initial interpretations, this is very clearly an F-104-derived design...


Thank you for posting this on Sebastian. I have a line drawing of this one but no color shots.

You can definitely see the F-104 lineage of the design.

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2018, 08:26:18 AM »
Thinking of a F-104J-Kai with bits of the F-104ASA from Alenia, possibly sharing a radar with the Mitsubishi F-2, as well as a re-engining with PW1120 or F404 or F414; perhaps borrow a canard set from a Kfir to add to the mix for color.

Addendum: Armament would be a mix of Japanese AAM-3 and AAM-4 missiles.
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2018, 08:45:49 AM »
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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2018, 09:31:18 AM »
Could the fuselage of a 1/144 kit be used to house a fountain pen?
"Skywriting" out the exhaust nozzle?  I could see that as a joke/novelty item for aviation buffs.

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: January 15, 2019, 01:55:50 AM »
Model L-242 for the USN - kind of a naval F-104:




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Some interesting armament options investigated in this:






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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #128 on: January 15, 2019, 11:56:04 PM »
Without steering the Air Superiority Fighter thread off-topic, here's an idea: if the Naval Starfighter had significantly lower stall speed (implying higher lift), why not base the fighter-bomber version offered internationally on that? One would think that sacrificing some of the top speed at altitude (Mach 2 capable fighters spend 0,01% of their flight time at Mach 2+) would have been worth of improved lift and much better low-speed handling at low altitudes.

I'll answer myself: even when the F-104G was offered, the Starfighter's air-to-ground mission was envisioned as delivering "special weapons" flying fast in a straight line (or alternatively, "tossing" The Bomb in a half-loop), it was not anticipated it would be required to carry heavy conventional loads and turn tightly low and slow, hugging the terrain and dodging flak while providing close air support.

Still, later on when F-104S was being developed (and the need for conventional weapons capability reaffirmed), maybe the idea could have been realized (Italy obviously wanted an interceptor first, but other potential customers...)

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Re: F-104 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #129 on: January 16, 2019, 03:26:16 AM »
Navalized original F-104 design, note the shorter OAL similar to the XF-104.

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