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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2012, 09:23:30 AM »
I guess it's also a case of "letting sleeping dogs lie". US Aggressor and Adversary outfits have always painted their aircraft with red stars (save for a few notable exceptions). In some cases, their camo was or is close to Soviet/Russian aircraft, in others not. It's almost "tradition", nobody bats so much as an eyelid. Paint an Eagle in a scheme more or less resembling the recent Su-35 prototypes and it's pretty much business as usual. Announce tomorrow that the Aggressor and Adversary aircraft will be repainted to resemble Chinese aircraft and behold the sh!+storm that will ensue. The PRC will throw a hissy fit and the powers in charge in the US at all levels will have a lot of explaining to do to the media as to why they needlessly p!$$ off the Chinese. Far too much hassle for a very limited benefit in training realism (especially so with most of China's aircraft in rather boring greys anyway).

So, instead of unnecessarily opening a can of worms, schemes are kept as they were. Head honchos adjust training syllabi to reflect the most likely adversaries. Nobody complains. Everything's a-okay.

As for the VISMOD M-113s above, I don't recall either a Soviet or a Russian camo resembling anything close to this. Evenly spaced big stripes in green, black and brown. It doesn't get more "not looking at anyone in particular" than that.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2012, 09:41:35 AM »
Agree totally there Moritz.  The 113 camo is definitely 'different'. 

When I was serving in the ADF, we had a fictional country as an enemy, but when the chips were down, those with a less politically correct bent would routinely call our aggressors Indonesian quite openly, especially when ther weren't any brass around.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2013, 11:00:35 AM »
Interestingly, I just came across this picture on a Philippines forum:



Their version of an FSV/MRV, independently produced to the Australian one.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2013, 11:02:24 AM »
ROC M24 Chaffee Turret on an M113 hull. They found they were too top heavy to swim and so abandoned the idea.  The turret has obviously been upgraded with improved FCS.





And someone has even made a model of one:



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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2013, 11:58:16 AM »
Love it!

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2013, 08:50:57 AM »
What about an AMX13 style oscillating turret mounted on a M113?
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2013, 09:42:26 AM »
What about an AMX13 style oscillating turret mounted on a M113?

Do you qualify as a mountain climber when you're a turret crew member?  It'd be very tall, Greg unless you used a cut down hull.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2013, 10:40:24 AM »
Bah! Practicality be damned!
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2013, 12:02:12 PM »
Bah! Practicality be damned!

C-of-G would also be significantly higher...

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2013, 12:11:02 PM »
Bah! Practicality be damned!
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2013, 12:13:35 PM »
Does the turret basket (I'm assuming that the AMX-13 turret has one) have sufficient opening so that access from the rear ramp might be possible?
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2013, 02:33:31 AM »
Well there's a fact I didn't know - the M113's trim vane is made of wood. I'd always assumed it was steel or aluminium and maybe added a bit of extra armour protection to the front, but then I saw a closeup of one on a somewhat shabby Aussie FSV and you could see the woodgrain. Bit of research and yep, wood. Various degrees of tinware were added to it with foam for buoyancy etc, but the basic structure is the same.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2013, 10:15:33 AM »
Well there's a fact I didn't know - the M113's trim vane is made of wood. I'd always assumed it was steel or aluminium and maybe added a bit of extra armour protection to the front, but then I saw a closeup of one on a somewhat shabby Aussie FSV and you could see the woodgrain. Bit of research and yep, wood. Various degrees of tinware were added to it with foam for buoyancy etc, but the basic structure is the same.

I'm surprised you didn't know that.  Wood is cheap and easily replaced. It's also significantly lighter than metal, which makes the driver's job of deploying it easier.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2013, 05:57:56 PM »
I didn't know either.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2013, 04:09:48 AM »
Most folks would never notice the material unless they are maintaining/operating the vehicle. :)
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