Author Topic: Stuka musings  (Read 10425 times)

Offline sequoiaranger

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Pics of "See Stuka"?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2012, 11:28:08 PM »
AXU, raafif, and GTX-->more pictures?<

Actually, I do NOT have more pictures (that was an old one c. 1985), and the actual model has broken landing gear and several other broken parts from a move that have not yet been repaired. However, the "top", "tail", and "sides" of the See Stuka are simply an un-modified Ju-87 D. From a viewpoint anywhere but the front (my pic here) it looks like a generic Stuka with rounded wing tips (pilfered from a Corsair). The fuselage is "deeper" because of the Suisei bottom which encloses the bomb much like a Helldiver (or a Suisei!!). The REALLY OLD (c. 1963) LS kit of the Suisei had working bomb-bay doors and was inappropriately narrower than a proper Suisei should be (the Fujimi one is superb! I made my single-seat "stealth" recce version-"Yamagumo"- out of that one) but mated PERFECTLY to the Matchbox Stuka I used. The main landing gear is Corsair, too, but I paid tribute to the Stuka by having the landing gear DOORS in the approximate shape of the spats!
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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2012, 11:57:35 PM »
Wow! Some great ideas and inspiration since I last checked in!

That See Stuka is quite something. :)
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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2012, 07:58:44 AM »
Maybe also a similarly powered turbo Fw-189?


here's such a beast .....
http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=40368.0
     pretty ugly tho !



Updated tail on AXU's mod of my Turbo-Stuka ...



Where do we go from here ??
           swept-wings ..... tail-plane half-way up the fin ?
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 08:01:31 AM by raafif »

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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2012, 08:02:33 AM »
Maybe also a similarly powered turbo Fw-189?


here's such a beast .....
http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=40368.0
     pretty ugly tho !



Hmmm...haven't made up my mind yet.  I was thinking of something less radical though:  really just a standard Fw-189 but with Turboprops.
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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2012, 08:05:02 AM »
but they're UGLY turbo-props, Greg !!
            and that canopy too !! :-X

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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2012, 08:10:04 AM »
I agree re the cockpit...but then again sometimes ugly has a beauty all of its own! ;)
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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2012, 11:17:13 AM »
For my take on the Turbo-Stuka, I concluded that a Dart was around the right period and power. I added a little to the fin but I like the new tail on your's raafif!

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See Stuka Pics
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2012, 03:40:29 PM »
Actually, I discovered my old See Stuka had only a missing wheel (which I found), so....I have two pics here:

One, a side/top view...



And this up the front view showing the old LS Suisei bomb-bay. I goofed up the "Spiralschnause"--I may just retrofit it (but for now...):

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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2012, 05:15:31 PM »
I love the idea of a stuka with a bomb bay!!
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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2012, 05:38:03 PM »
I love the idea of a stuka with a bomb bay!!

Yes! That in itself cleans the lines up a good bit, doesn't it?
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Stuka W/bomb-bay
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2012, 11:03:27 PM »
>>I love the idea of a stuka with a bomb bay!!
Yes! That in itself cleans the lines up a good bit, doesn't it?<<

That was kind of the point---take the "Stuka" look and take some of the angles and "awkwardness" out of it. The Suisei provided the smooth ventral contours and integrated lines from the intake back, and the Corsair wings still had that "cranked" look but gained "softer" contours, recessed oil coolers, and allowed retractable landing gear. The only other change was elimination of the "retro" support strut for the tailplane (taken off the later Bf-109s as well). 

Also the idea was that this hybrid could be a "common" dive bomber for all Axis carrier forces in the Pacific (OF COURSE there were German carriers in the Pacific!!  :)  ). The Suisei was the fastest plane in Pacific skies for a while, but could not carry a larger bomb load than the fixed-landing gear "Val" it replaced (other than the bolted-on larger bombs on Kamikaze Suiseis). The Stuka was slow, but could carry a whopper bomb. So...cleaning up the Stuka made it fast enough to please the Japanese, and it could carry larger bombs, too!

PS--one of my future whifs will be a "Suisei-Kai"--a slightly larger version of the Suisei that WILL carry larger bombs (basically a Ryusei "Grace" retro-fitted with a low-wing and Suisei front end and cockpit.)
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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2012, 05:17:27 AM »
Out of interest, the original contenders for what became the Stuka:



I actually find the He118 (seen below again) the most attractive.

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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2012, 06:12:18 AM »
you have to wonder how much the He118 shares in ancestry with the He70?  An up-engined He70 might make for another good competitor.

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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2012, 07:13:05 AM »
I have also always liked the Ju87C:






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Re: Stuka musings
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 06:52:49 AM »
A simple colour change.