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Offline apophenia

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Playing with Polikarpovs
« on: June 21, 2026, 04:55:32 AM »
I think this one fits within the rules of the Upgrades and Life Extensions GB ...

For ages I had been playing with the idea of Polikarpov I-16s upgraded by the French on behalf of the Spanish Republic. Then, recently, I was fiddling about with Arsenal VG series fighters ... which provided me with a fresh idea for replacement parts for the accidentally wingless I-16s that I had envisioned arriving by sea at Bordeaux.

The one-piece wooden wings from the VG 33 made far more sense than my original ideas - which I'll save in case we ever have a 'Dumb Idea' GB! (BTW, the images shown here were modified from a V-VS I-16 Type 10 profile by the  great Ronnie Olsthoorn.)

So, here I present the Arsenal-winged Polikarpov I-16R and I-16F.

Top An Arsenal/Polikarpov I-16 Mosca R (for Raffinés) as issued to 4ª Escuadrilla de Moscas - a Fuerzas Aéreas de la República Española (FARE) fighter squadron - in the late Winter of 1939.

Prior to arriving at the hybrid Arsenal/Polikarpov solution, some of the wingless I-16 tipo 17 airframes in France had been robbed of their 750 hp Shvetsov M-25B engines to provide spares for the FARE. Later, civilian Wright Cyclone engines were substituted.

The 770 hp R-1820-F53s had been chosen to circumvent US sanctions on Spanish Civil War participants. However, since civilian R-1820-F53 engines lacked synchronisation gear, the machine gun armament of Wright-powered Arsenal/Polikarpov I-16s would consist of 4 x wing-mounted Darnes.

Bottom Completed too late to help the Republicans, small numbers of I-161F (Français) were taken into Armée de l'Air service to act as fighter lead-in trainers for Bloch MB 151 squadrons. This aircraft has a three-bladed, 2-pitch Ratier propeller.

Never intended for operational use as fighters, in Armée de l'Air service, these aircraft were designated Arsenal 161E.1 (for Entraînement single-seater), sometimes given as 161 Ent.1.
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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2026, 08:57:19 AM »
Love the Polikarpovs - there was 2-seater but what about a stretched twin-fuselage one - tailess ! :o

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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2026, 02:28:36 AM »
Love the Polikarpovs - there was 2-seater but what about a stretched twin-fuselage one - tailess ! :o

Cheers raafif. But now I have a twin-fuselaged UTI Polikarpov stuck in my head!  :o
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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2026, 06:39:40 AM »
Love the Polikarpovs - there was 2-seater but what about a stretched twin-fuselage one - tailess ! :o

Cheers raafif. But now I have a twin-fuselaged UTI Polikarpov stuck in my head!  :o

Good !!  ;D ;D

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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2026, 07:35:43 PM »
These are looking great. Any more versions?

Offline perttime

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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 01:14:47 AM »
Wasn't Polikarpovs I-180 a development of the I-16? YThe I-185 may have been more like a distant cousin.

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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 05:09:21 AM »
These are looking great. Any more versions?

Thanks Ken. I hadn't intended on more ... but you can blame perttime if any I-180 variants start showing up  ;)

I think of the I-180S/I-185 as the Polikarpov team's take on 'what would the I-16 look like if we'd designed her in 1939 instead of 1933?'. The end result is, to my eyes, very handsome ... just a pity about those engines!
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Re: Playing with Polikarpovs
« Reply #7 on: Today at 06:38:26 AM »
As threatened ...

By the beginning of 1939, the design team at the Polikarpov OKB was in disarray. The evolved I-180.2 monoplane fighter prototype had crashed, its development came to an end. That crash was the result of an impetuous test pilot insisted upon flying prototype despite its engine having been left unprotected from frost the previous evening. That decision cost Hero of the Soviet Union, Valery Chkalov his life. But someone else had to take the blame. That fell to I-180.2 designer, D. L. Tomashevich who was imprisoned under Stalin's orfers.

Meanwhile, the mandated biplane equivalent seemed to have reached fruition. The I-190 was a revised I-153 airframe fitted with a 14-cylinder Shvetsov M-88 radial derived from the Gnome-Rhône 14K. With I-190 design work complete, project chief, A. Ya. Shcherbakov, was transferred to the I-180 programme. His first decision was to cancel further work on the I-180.3 prototype.

Whereas the I-180.2 (and planned I-180.3) had new wing designs, Shcherbakov concluded that such major revisions would inevitably be over-run by the more modern fighter designs being produced by Yakovlev and Lavochkin. Accordingly, Shcherbakov shifted to a more straightforward adaptation of the base I-16 type 24 fighter.

Shcherbakov's second conclusion - in part inspired by his work on the I-190 - was that the M-88 engine suffered from fatal flaws inherited from its French parent. As a result, for the I-180.5, Shcherbakov turned to another Shvetsov 14-cylinder radial - the M-82 (in effect, a 2-row derivative of the I-153's M-62 - itself derived from the American Wright Cyclone by way of the earlier M25V).

As built, the I-182.1 (as the I-180.5 was re-named) was a heavily modified I-16 type 24 airframe. The shpon fuselage remained largely unchanged aft of the firewall. The wings were similar to those of the I-16 but all fabric-covering was entirely replaced by sheet dural. The internal wing structure was also altered to accommodate a new, hydraulically-operated main undercarriage. No armament was fitted to the I-182.1 to hasten construction and flight trials.

Before the I-182.1 had made its first flight, construction had begun on the armed prototype I-182.2. The latter carried only twin 20 mm Shvak guns synchronised to fire through its propeller arc. However, it was always intended that another pair of Shvak cannons would be mounted in the wings of production I-182s. The I-182.2 also differed in detail from the I-182.1 - a new tailwheel being the most noticeable.

As it transpired, Aleksei Shcherbakov concern about the pace of Soviet fighter development was prophetic. By the time that the I-182.1 had flown, more modern designs were available from two of Shcherbakov's former assistants - Artem Mikoyan and Mikhail Gurevich - as well as A. S. Yakovlev. As the ASh-82, Arkadiy Shvetsov's M-88 would become a highly successful engine. But, in 1939-40, OKB-19 had yet to make the M-88 a reliable powerplant.

Shcherbakov's I-182 designs were culled from the pack, with V-VS orders going to the MiG-3, LaGG-1, and Yak-1 fighter types instead.
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'cuz they don't go for what's in the Book and that makes 'em BAD!"