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Offline Claymore

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Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« on: November 06, 2025, 05:23:06 AM »
Sturmkanone Update:

Well, this is going to be a bit of a complex tale as, much with reality, my first effort didn't turn out quite the way I wanted even though I tried to convince myself otherwise.  In keeping with German designations, I will call my first effort the Sturmkanone Ausf. A - here is the story so far as it played out on my thread on the althistory.com site...

Sturmkanone Ausf. A Update:

Well, here we are with the first WIP pics of, what I am calling, the Sturmkanone Ausf A. I settled on Sturmkanone (StuK) rather than Sturmgeschutz (StuG) as German field artillery pieces of the day were known as feldkanone (FK) so it seemed more logical to go with Sturmkanone. Anyhoo, as you can see the bulk of this wee beastie has been 3D printed from an upscaled and heavily modified LK II hull. The end result is a vehicle which is pretty much the same size as the British Whippet tank of the same era - same length, slightly narrower (central hull the same width) and overall lower. The central hull's width is predicated by the width of the 7.7cm FK96 n/A which it mounts - thus it is capable of fitting a crew member (driver and gunner) either side of the breach - the loader and commander are located towards the rear of the fighting compartment.

As an Assault gun, the StuK's primary mission is conducted at relatively short ranges and over open sights so there is not much need for a huge degree of lateral and vertical movement of the primary weapon. Having said that, the 7.7cm FK96 n/A has a 10 degree movement left and right and +/- 15 degree vertical movement.

More to follow...












Sturmkanone Ausf. A Update:

...and with the undercoat applied...










Long story short but one of my fellow Alt-historians had reservations about the width of my Sturmkanone Aus. A and even had the audacity to point out that impressively tiny Yugo car was wider - oh bollocks! Although I tried to manfully defend my corner, the obvious truth was that, unless the German army employed Oompa-Loompas, he was right - double bollocks!
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2025, 05:25:10 AM »
Sturmkanone Ausf. B Update:

When I looked into my first take on the Sturmkanone again, I found I was right in thinking the gun was out of whack scale-wise - I was foolish enough to assume the scale of the original 3D image was correct - not a huge difference but larger than it should have been.  I was also not every impressed with the quality of the 3D print and realised that I could have been more efficient in the overall build.

So I spent the most part of a day altering and scratch building things in my very basic CAD program (I am a self-confessed biff when it comes to these things) and set the 3D printer a printing!

The Ausf. B variant of the Sturmkanone is well on its way with the opportunity having been taken to re-model and update quite a few of the build components. The 7.7cm FK96 n/A gun has been correctly scaled, the gun mount (to fit the model and not representative of the actual pedestal mount) has been strengthened, the tracks widened and mud shoots added in the 3D design rather than after printing, and the main hull has been overhauled with lots of small adjustments and the crew compartment widened.









...and a little bit more. Next will be combining all of the sub-components and adding the various details - oh, and sorting the blemishes on the tracks!

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2025, 05:26:51 AM »
Sturmkanone Ausf. B Update:

So, the build (or should I say, rebuild) is pretty much there and I am much happier with the print quality. With a coat of primer next on the agenda, I will be heading towards the dubious fun of painting ...








« Last Edit: November 06, 2025, 06:27:45 PM by Claymore »
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2025, 05:33:04 AM »
If you are wondering (although I doubt it) why a piece of WW1 German assault artillery is in a Tankbuster GB, all will become clear when I add the backstory...  ;)
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2025, 07:06:10 AM »
I thought I recognized the LK running gear from the first pictures. Great concept, and the execution looks good so far.

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2025, 04:44:35 PM »
Far too technologically advanced for me! :-\

Of course if you moved the gun further to the left on the StuK Ausf. A, & fixed the traverse (so it only moved in elevation), you could have an early S-tank, with a driver/gunner, commander & loader.  ;)

By the way, did anyone point out that as it's a StuK &, therefore, German the driver would be on the left side of the vehicle rather than the right side?  ???
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2025, 06:34:19 PM »
Far too technologically advanced for me! :-\

Of course if you moved the gun further to the left on the StuK Ausf. A, & fixed the traverse (so it only moved in elevation), you could have an early S-tank, with a driver/gunner, commander & loader.  ;)

By the way, did anyone point out that as it's a StuK &, therefore, German the driver would be on the left side of the vehicle rather than the right side?  ???

Yes but I wanted the full capability of an assault gun rather than an ambush sniper.

As for the driver’s position, I know he is on, what is now the traditional, ‘wrong’ side but the StuK is an early, seat-of-the-pants design which incorporates a standard 7.7cm FK96 n/A artillery gun which had the gunner on the left and loader on the right.  I worked on the assumption that it would be easier install the driver’s location on the right rather than redesign/alter the field gun. 

Having said all of that, your idea of moving the gun sideways has got my little grey cells firing with a view of reverse engineering my unsuccessful Ausf. A version into a pre-production model without having to reprint the whole damned thing! It will help in bulking out the backstory… 🤔
« Last Edit: November 07, 2025, 07:41:24 PM by Claymore »
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2025, 03:24:06 PM »

By the way, did anyone point out that as it's a StuK &, therefore, German the driver would be on the left side of the vehicle rather than the right side?  ???

Until after WW1 that seem to have been up to the designer as Audi kept the drivers on the right side until 1921

Offline Claymore

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2025, 07:42:14 PM »
Until after WW1 that seem to have been up to the designer as Audi kept the drivers on the right side until 1921

Perfect!  :smiley:
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2025, 11:41:29 PM »
Until after WW1 that seem to have been up to the designer as Audi kept the drivers on the right side until 1921

Perfect!  :smiley:

But was driving on the right or left side of the road optional as well?
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2025, 11:43:39 PM »
Until after WW1 that seem to have been up to the designer as Audi kept the drivers on the right side until 1921

Perfect!  :smiley:

But was driving on the right or left side of the road optional as well?
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2025, 07:47:45 AM »
Sturmkanone Update:

The reject has been repurposed and we now have two Sturmkanones for the price of one - not really... it's still two for the price of two!

What I now have is a realistic initial Sturmkanone Ausf. A that represents the initial pre-production build which then allowed the amended and improved Ausf. B model to enter serial production. Full details will follow in the backstory once I have completed the project but I am now much happier with the way things are going - even though I am now left with two complete models when originally I was only looking at one. Suffice to say that the Ausf A model had a somewhat cumbersome 3-man crew of driver/gunner, loader and commander and a limited gun traverse whilst the more spacious Ausf B model split the driver and gunner functions with a more logical layout for the loader and commander and a more capable gun mount.

So, WIP pics of both the Ausf. A and Ausf B in their primer undercoat...

Sturmkanone Ausf. A










Sturmkanone Ausf. B








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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2025, 04:43:54 PM »
WIN!  :D  ;)

They're both looking really good, by the way!  :smiley:  8)
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2025, 04:54:33 PM »
WIN!  :D  ;)

They're both looking really good, by the way!  :smiley:  8)

Thanks mate and thanks for the nudge in moving the gun for the Ausf. A  :smiley:
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #14 on: Today at 01:03:12 AM »
Well, in time honoured fashion, I'm clearing the decks for the festive period and calling this one (two) done!

Sturmkanone

The Sturmkanone was an assault gun produced by the Imperial German Army during WW1.   German experiences during the early stages of the conflict had shown that, during offensives, the infantry lacked the means to engage fortifications effectively.  The artillery of the time was heavy and not mobile enough to keep up with the advancing infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes, and other minor fortifications with direct fire [1].  The Sturmkanone was an attempt to rectify this situation.

Development

In 1917, with the writing on the wall for Imperial Russia, the German High Command could, at last, start planning for a significant redeployment of forces and for the possibility of major offensive actions on the western front in the spring of 1918.  With this in mind, Joseph Vollmer, the designer of the A7V heavy tank, was tasked with designing a suitable mobile gun carrier, that would mount the standard 7.7cm FK96 n/A field gun, carry defensive machine guns, be capable of traversing rough terrain, cross ditches up to 1.5m (4.9”) wide and have a top speed of at least 12km/h (7.5mph). 

The first two preproduction vehicles were produced by Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft in October 1917 and given to Assault Tank Units 1 and 2 – the same units that were evaluating the larger A7V.  It was at this time that the design gained the designation Sturmkanone (Assault cannon/gun) in order to reflect its artillery antecedents.

Design Variants

Sturmkanone Ausf. A
The initial design, or Sturmkanone Ausf. A as it would later be designated, was 6.65m (21’ 10”) long, 2.42m (9’ 6”) wide and the maximum height was 2.6m (8’ 5”).  Like the A7V, frontal armour was 30mm, side 15mm and the roof 10mm. 

The hull was a basic, flat-sided box with the engine at the rear and the fighting compartment to the front. The separation of the engine from the crew was already a major advantage over the crowded A7V, however, the initial design was not without its flaws.  In order to keep the frontal aspect as narrow as possible (it being assumed that the fortification being assaulted was likely to be firing back) the crew compartment was compact, being only 1.4m (4’ 7”) wide. The field gun was mounted offset to the right with the driver also filling the role of gunner – not entirely a mad idea as the vehicle would not be firing on the move.  The commander was to the rear with his own observation cupola whilst the loader had to service the gun and ensure that he was well out of the way (moving from the right to the left of the vehicle) before the gun fired and recoiled.  Defensively, the Ausf A. carried three LMG 08/15, one firing to the rear and two which could be side mounded but which were nor routinely fitted in normal operations as they interfered with the operation of the main gun.  The initial trials concluded that the internal layout and demands on the crew were unfavourable.

Sturmkanone Ausf. B
A major review and redesign were quickly carried out which led directly to the Sturmkanone Ausf B.  The new vehicle was the same length and height as the Aus. A but was 10cm wider at 2.52m with an enlarged crew compartment which as 1.7m wide.  The gun was now centrally placed in the hull with the driver’s position being moved to the right-hand side with a dedicated gunner on the left.  Whilst the commander kept the same position as before, the loader was now free to service the main gun without being crushed for his troubles. With the driver/gunner roles being separated and there now being more space available, a 4th LMG was added in an armoured frontal ball mounting to be operated by the gunner.

Combat History

The Sturmkanone Ausf. B performed admirably during the German spring offensives of 1918 both in supporting the storm trooper divisions and the follow up infantry which would reduce any bypassed fortifications.  However, there were simply never enough Sturmkanones available (only [edit 100] having ever been constructed) to prevent the inevitable stagnation of the German assault and the consequent allied counter attacks.  The few Sturmkanone Ausf. A that were produced (no more than five) would finally see service as ammunition haulers with their field guns removed and replaced with a machine gun and given the designation of Ausf. C.

However, it was during these dark days and the battle of Amiens in particular that the Sturmkanone had perhaps its finest hour.  In what would prophetically be a foretaste of things to come in the next war, a single Sturmkanone Ausf. B (A2) of Sturmartillerie Abteilung 301 was responsible for the destruction of 5 British Mk V Heavy tanks in the course of 30 minutes.

The models depict Sturmkanone Ausf. A trials vehicle ‘Loki’ and Sturmkanone Ausf. B A2 of Sturmartillerie Abteilung 301 circa 8 August 1918 and are primarily 3D printed from a highly modified cults3d.com LK II design, much of my own original 3D designs and, of course, much plastic card.

Reference:

1.   Wikipedia StuG III page.

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:08:22 AM »
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #16 on: Today at 01:47:52 AM »
 Beautiful finish! I was hoping you would do one of the two in the multi color pattern, but both look terrific. The back story is good, though I have to wonder about the production figures.  ;)

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #17 on: Today at 02:04:04 AM »
Beautiful finish! I was hoping you would do one of the two in the multi color pattern, but both look terrific. The back story is good, though I have to wonder about the production figures.  ;)

Thanks Doc!

Too many or too few?  Britain produced around 2700 tanks during WW1 and France produced about 3800 of all types. I know Germany only made about 20 A7Vs but is 250 Sturmkanone too unrealistic? I pretty much plucked the number out of the air so more than happy to change it if you think it is unrealistic.  :smiley:
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #18 on: Today at 03:05:43 AM »
 I'd probably drop the number to around 20~30. By the time the LK series was conceived, less than a year remained to the Empire, and the design wasn't finalized until the last  couple of months of 1918. I may be mistaken, but I think the Germans ran into the same problem in WW2=so much steel had been allocated to the U-boats that there wasn't a lot of that, or the industrial capacity, to produce much of anything else.
 But higher production numbers could easily be part of a larger whiff framework. Much of my own 'World War Wonders' whiffing depends on things being a little different-improbable Naval victories at the Falklands and then Jutland create a World War where the US has a bit more trouble helping Fortress Britain.

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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #19 on: Today at 03:46:58 AM »
Good points.  I'm going to go half way (or there about) and drop the number to 100.  Germany was certainly on the ropes by 1918 but such were the possibilities of the Sturmkanone, that a degree of priority may well have been forthcoming. 

Thanks for your help!  :smiley:
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Re: Sturmkanone Ausf. B
« Reply #20 on: Today at 06:50:07 AM »
Great finish on those, doing both schemes really sets the difference as even in RW we know that the change from the Solomon type schemes to plainer type finishes was very rapid.

On the number thing, I am in the fewer the better camp to keep it "real"  ;)