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Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« on: March 31, 2012, 12:34:40 AM »
According to a recent AINon-line.com report, the C-130XJ (X = Expandable) is Lockheed's response to the C-27 Spartan.  Click on html to view article, click on thumbnail to view larger image of the conceptual artwork. 

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Apparently the AINon-line informatoin was derived from this From Lockheed Martin announcement:
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Lockheed Martin launches new lower cost version of the proven C-130J Super Hercules

The Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules is the most advanced airlifter ever built. The C‑130J combines the latest in aerospace technology with a proven, rugged airframe design.  The result is an aircraft that gives an operator more capability with greater operational efficiency than any other airlifter.

To meet the demands of the new economic environment, while still providing unmatched tactical airlift capability, Lockheed Martin has launched at the Singapore Airshow the C-130XJ.  The C‑130XJ, X referring to expandable, has at its heart the proven and highly successful C-130J program.

The C-130XJ is being offered across international markets to those operators that do not require all of enhanced capabilities inherent in C-130J.  As such, it will have a significantly lower price.  Despite this it will have growth capability, post delivery, in many mission areas.  The only exception will be those items that have to be part of the initial build such as the Enhanced Cargo Handling System.

The C-130XJ will be especially attractive in two main areas - the special mission market that utilize roll on/roll off mission packages and those countries or operators that primarily use their airlift aircraft for low threat air/land movement of troops and equipment

The C-130XJ has been carefully tailored to provide the very best the proven C-130J model has to offer in air/land movement of personnel and equipment and delivery of humanitarian relief and aero medical evacuation.  The C-130XJ retains all the provisions necessary to fully configure the aircraft for combat operations should the need arise.

The C-130XJ retains the current C-130J propulsion and avionics suite, and there are no changes to the current C-130J airframe design.  The primary airframe focus is on the short body C-130J, but the XJ solution could be offered for the C-130J-30 stretch version if requested.

The C-130XJ will be have the capability to fly the same full spectrum of missions that the C-130 has always flown  which includes compatibility with a wide range of roll-on/roll-off special mission packages that enable the aircraft to perform search and rescue, fire fighting, surveillance and reconnaissance, signals intelligence and close air support missions.

The C-130XJ design is established and is already generating interest and requests from around the world.


Other related links:

Wikipedia - Lockheed C-130
USAF Fact Sheet - C-130 Hercules
US Navy fact file - C-130 Hercules
C-130Hercules.net - C-130 images and forum
USAF Air Mobility Command Museum - C-130 Hercules
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 12:38:49 AM »
Yanno, I really need to just slap Warp pods onto a herk and call it a day. That plane is never going to retire.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 12:41:36 AM »
Nice. Canada will be looking for a new SAR bird. Makes for ease of maintenance and one-stop shopping for the flight crew.

The KC-390 is quite cool too:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 12:45:11 AM »
One of my favorite C-130 images is this November 1963 image showing a USMC KC-130F aboard the USS Forrestal (CV-59) for compatibility testing for the proposed Super COD aircraft. 

Click thumbnail to view larger image.


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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 05:10:02 AM »
I think this pic is really cool too:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 05:12:43 AM »
Not so sure about the bit about "...Lockheed's response to the C-27 Spartan".  After all, originally (after the joint Lockheed Martin Alenia Tactical Transport Systems (LMATTS) partnership ended), Lockheed offered the basic C-130J for the same role.  Also given that one of the reasons for the recent USAF C-27J cancellation was that the C-130Js were already being used in that tactical transport role, there would be no need to develop a whole new response.  Rather, this is more Lockheed Martin squeezing more possible sales out of the old girl...especially for possible customers that don.t want to (or can't afford) new build C-130Js...not that that is a problem.

Similarly, the SC-130J is nothing new - I remember being briefed on this concept by Lockheed Martin back in the '90s when I was with P-3s in the RAAF (this was pre- P-8/BAMMS etc).  I am sure it was also mooted with earlier variants too.

Anyway, not that any of that really matters.  What is interesting (to me at least) is the new tail fin and winglets and nose proposed for the C-130NG announced at the same time as this.  Makes for a bit more of a modelling challenge if one is going for total accuracy.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 06:21:10 AM »
Not so sure about the bit about "...Lockheed's response to the C-27 Spartan".  After all, originally (after the joint Lockheed Martin Alenia Tactical Transport Systems (LMATTS) partnership ended), Lockheed offered the basic C-130J for the same role.  Also given that one of the reasons for the recent USAF C-27J cancellation was that the C-130Js were already being used in that tactical transport role, there would be no need to develop a whole new response.  Rather, this is more Lockheed Martin squeezing more possible sales out of the old girl...especially for possible customers that don.t want to (or can't afford) new build C-130Js...not that that is a problem.

Similarly, the SC-130J is nothing new - I remember being briefed on this concept by Lockheed Martin back in the '90s when I was with P-3s in the RAAF (this was pre- P-8/BAMMS etc).  I am sure it was also mooted with earlier variants too.

Anyway, not that any of that really matters.  What is interesting (to me at least) is the new tail fin and winglets and nose proposed for the C-130NG announced at the same time as this.  Makes for a bit more of a modelling challenge if one is going for total accuracy.


I suppose I could have commented that it was Lockheeds "alternative" to the C-27 Spartan.  Either way, they are certainly trying to get some more sales out of the design.  Not that this is not a good thing, the Hercules design is practical and with the exception of the internal dimensions limiting the size of certain vehicles and loads it has done an excellent job so far at hauling things around the world. 

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2012, 06:26:34 AM »
Well on the fuselage side, LM did propose the C-130XL a while back featuring a larger fuselage:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2012, 09:00:00 AM »
I got this from somewhere ---

What's interesting for me is that the standard C-130 has a hold width of 119.5", when I designed some drilling equipment which was mounted on a trailer, I was told to keep everything inside 120".  Half an inch difference I know, but that's what I was given to work on.
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2012, 04:35:45 AM »
Some more real world C-130 proposals:



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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 11:13:00 AM »
My rough jet C-130:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 06:22:01 PM »
In 2009, the USAF (later followed my other Air Forces), decided that using manned crews for transport aircraft was a waste - the missions were fairly straight forward (Take off - Fly - Land) and highly trained crews could be better used elsewhere.  Most transport aircraft such as the existing C-17s etc were converted to be optionally manned.  The most radical change though was the QC-130H - these were already being refurbished so it was decided to save further weight by removing the unnecessary cockpit:



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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 03:23:41 AM »
A plan for someday:  A STOVL/ESTOL C-130 based on a similar arrangement to that originally planned for the G.222:


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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 03:39:00 AM »
Cool C-130 concepts.  Looks totally legitimate/normal with jets.

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 11:28:56 AM »
How about an even smaller version of the L-400 proposal? That would've given Lockheed a competitor to the Alenia G.222/C-27A.

BTW: In the modified Flight cutaway, I've made the L-400's new centre section narrower, and joined front and rear fuselage barrels with that centre section plonked on top. She'd have more tail than needed but I decided to leave those standard Herc surfaces for simplicity.
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 12:57:25 PM »
Cute...
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 10:21:51 AM »
My rough jet C-130:



Not that far off from a vstol C-130 proposal Lockheed showed in drawing form on their stand at the 1972 Turin airshow, it had four Pegasus engines like that.

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 11:10:44 PM »
My rough jet C-130:



Not that far off from a vstol C-130 proposal Lockheed showed in drawing form on their stand at the 1972 Turin airshow, it had four Pegasus engines like that.


Now that's interesting to know Evan ----- did it have just a single hot nozzle or did it it look like this below
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 01:10:21 PM »
As best I can remember (we are talking about 40 years ago, this coming summer) it was like the AW.681 and Do.31 with four nozzles each.

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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2012, 09:08:43 PM »
Now this is very coincidental, look what appeared on 'the other forum'   -- under the title 'Jet C-130'

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2012, 09:09:27 PM »
another pic

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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 05:53:48 PM »
Cool.  Who did it?
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 10:17:38 PM »
I'm not sure who built it but it appeared on the table at the Perth show (I'm assuming that's the one in the UK too -----  ;D )

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 11:15:21 PM »
It was at the Scottish Nationals in Perth but I don't think (might be wrong) it was on the S.I.G. table.

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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2012, 12:38:12 AM »
It was on one of the SIG tables if following the notes people left on the thread.  I've left a message on the thread to see if anyone knows, but I was told Martin H is the one who would know.

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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2012, 02:14:02 AM »
Martin H says it was done by Dugald Emens, who is a member of the Dundee IPMS

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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2012, 06:17:18 PM »
Dugald is also responsible for the huge collection of 1/48 Wyvrens that people may have seen

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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2012, 12:03:42 PM »
Speaking of jet C-130s:

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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2012, 03:30:28 PM »
Before it fades into history, you don`t need jets on a Herc, just bigger props......  >:D


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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2012, 04:00:30 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2012, 03:21:00 AM »
Sweet!  As that image was loading I thought it was carrying some AMRAAMs on the wing stations.  FC-130J FTW!
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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2012, 05:02:44 AM »
Weapon sponsons! Awesome idea!
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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2012, 04:22:52 AM »
Why do I picture this with RR Pegasus in those wing pods?

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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2012, 04:23:24 AM »
Sometimes its nice to remember where we started:

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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2012, 04:29:24 AM »
SC-130J: The Sea Hercules
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2012, 09:12:15 AM »
Speaking of jet C-130s:



Ah, that one was intended to use the same thrust-augmented wing concept the XV-12A was supposed to prove; it proved that test rigs don't always scale up.

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2012, 02:52:24 PM »
Been looking through these C-130 postings. There are many variations.
Following AC-130 approach, imagine what kind of super gunship the C-133 could have become.

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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2013, 02:55:49 PM »
Random Idea:  C-130 with tail turret...
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2013, 08:41:08 PM »
Random Idea:  C-130 with tail turret...
Turret or just gun position?  I'm thinking a C-130/AN-12 cross.

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2013, 02:21:35 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2013, 11:51:07 AM »
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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2013, 12:35:52 PM »
You'd want to make sure you had tightened your seat belts, wouldn't you?  That take off is quite incredible.  It's airborne in the length of the aircraft! 

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« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2013, 05:00:04 PM »
Were the crews issued with asbestos underpants?

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« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2013, 05:42:33 PM »
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« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2013, 08:46:48 PM »
Jeepers, I'd read and heard about that project and seen a few pics but that vid was both amazing and terrifying at the same time!  :o

It's a pity it didn't work that well as managing the actual rescue would have been a triumph of technology over sheer bloody-mindedness.

That Herk would make a superb model too, I wonder if anyone did a conversion kit for all the lumps and bumps?
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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2013, 10:42:34 PM »
That Herk would make a superb model too, I wonder if anyone did a conversion kit for all the lumps and bumps?

I've got a 1/72 vacuform conversion set which does quite a few of them Kit, I can't remember who produced it though, Falcon maybe or AirModel   ???

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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2013, 11:18:06 PM »
Jeepers, I'd read and heard about that project and seen a few pics but that vid was both amazing and terrifying at the same time!  :o

It's a pity it didn't work that well as managing the actual rescue would have been a triumph of technology over sheer bloody-mindedness.

That Herk would make a superb model too, I wonder if anyone did a conversion kit for all the lumps and bumps?

Apparently it was working rather well until the disastrous last flight where one of the solid rocket motors failed.  Until that event the shakers and movers were all quite confident that it would be a successful for what was basically a one-shot mission. 

Makes you wonder if they would have had any better success using liquid rocket motors instead of the solid rockets that were all sourced from "one-shot" weapons where failure usually meant jettisoning the dud and shooting another round. 
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« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2013, 04:14:08 AM »
Given it was only supposed to work for one mission, I doubt they would have worried about too many refinements.
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« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2013, 05:17:21 AM »
you can tell that the Lockheed engineers were used to designing trucks not sportscars ... here's the sleek-C-130.

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Picture that makes the Herk look like its just a twin engine   ;)
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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2015, 02:48:18 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2015, 06:15:22 AM »
I wonder what the performance would be like if you did Credible Sport mods to a DHC-5 Buffalo?

Anyone think that maybe that whole incident is the reason Osprey was pushed so hard?

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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2015, 12:03:47 PM »


Picture that makes the Herk look like its just a twin engine   ;)


Certainly does! :icon_surprised:

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« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2015, 01:41:21 PM »
Thanks, Jeffry! :)

Thought it looked like a Hellfire but the altitude appeared a bit high for its use. However, images can be deceiving.
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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2015, 06:55:13 AM »
Interesting detail on the ramp of this AC-130W Stinger II (former MC-130W Dragon Spear):



I believe it shows the launch tubes for the 'Gunslinger' weapons system with AGM-176 Griffin missiles and/or GBU-44/B Viper Strike munitions.
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« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2015, 10:52:10 PM »
I wonder what the performance would be like if you did Credible Sport mods to a DHC-5 Buffalo?

Anyone think that maybe that whole incident is the reason Osprey was pushed so hard?
It's been admitted that this event was one of the primary drivers behind the V-22.  I reckon it's proved itself and work is well under way to fix some of the known problem areas.

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 :-* seeing as I had this in mind, this is very helpful
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« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2015, 03:58:37 AM »
So much is right with Hercules amphibian. :)

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« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2015, 09:10:27 AM »
Add some chines to keep water out of the inner two engines and add the tanks and doors for firebombing!

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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2015, 07:11:25 AM »
That's gorgeous!  :-* I want one!
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« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2016, 07:40:38 AM »
A couple of months ago while working at Calgary International, a couple of C-130's flew in and landed. Not an un-common occurrence considering, but these two had two drop tanks under each wing.  They were only on the ground for about 40 minutes then they took off and were heading north the last time I saw them. Too far away to get any decent photos with my cell phone though --- 

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« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2016, 02:18:36 AM »
They might have been HC-130Js or MC-130Js - these have refuelling pods under the outer wings that could be mistaken as drop tanks:


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« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2016, 10:05:55 AM »
That looks about right Greg, cheers  :)

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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2016, 02:54:02 AM »
There is some c-130 in there...somewhere:

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« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2016, 03:08:29 AM »
Somewhat larger image:



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« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2016, 03:20:49 AM »
A bit more info from Lockheed's Code One Magazine.
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2016, 07:38:38 PM »
They might have been HC-130Js or MC-130Js - these have refuelling pods under the outer wings that could be mistaken as drop tanks:





Actually as I recall every time I see MV-22s at RAAF Darwin, outside of Expeditionary Strike Group visits, there is a Herc or two floating about too.  Always assumed they were supporting tankers that towed the Ospreys on long deployments.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #72 on: February 29, 2016, 11:03:56 AM »
Here's an odd one ripped from the headlines:



Flightglobal: USAF flaunts ‘arsenal plane’ concept at Air Warfare Symposium

The love child of a C-130 and a B-52, it reminds me a lot of the old C-123A, just sixty years on!



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« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2016, 02:44:28 AM »
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« Reply #74 on: May 26, 2016, 08:48:11 AM »
Real World C-130 Upgrade.

The US Air Force has picked the Coulson Aviation USA retardant aerial delivery systems (RADS-XXL) to outfit seven former Coast Guard Lockheed Martin HC-130H search-and-rescue turboprops as firefighting assets for the Forest Service.

The 15,000l (4,000gal) system that can jettison 6,000l (1,600gal) of retardant per second was chosen over other types like the modular airborne firefighting system (MAFFS), which is already used by Air National Guard and Reserve C-130s in support of the wildfire mission.


US Forest Service's planned C-130H paint scheme

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #75 on: May 26, 2016, 09:46:01 AM »
Chris Gibson's forthcoming On Atlas' Shoulders includes material on the BAC-222, Tyne-powered STOL Hercules.  Probably the first time good data on this project has become available.

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« Reply #76 on: May 26, 2016, 05:48:17 PM »
Chris Gibson's forthcoming On Atlas' Shoulders includes material on the BAC-222, Tyne-powered STOL Hercules.  Probably the first time good data on this project has become available.


I did not know about this book Evan. A quick visit over to Secret Projects got me this topic: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,27277.0.html
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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2016, 06:02:48 AM »
Another view of the tri-jet C-130:

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« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2016, 05:05:56 AM »
Want to give your C-130 that Russian look?  Try the "Assault C-130" with new GE34 engines and the Hamilton Standard counter-rotating propellers:



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« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2016, 08:47:53 AM »
Perhaps an auxiliary engine for each wing to provide bleed for blown flaps and ailerons, much as on Lockheed's ATTB variant of the earlier C-130 generation (I've also seen mention that the BAC.222 variant used auxiliary compressors driven off each Tyne for flap blowing).

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« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2016, 05:42:15 AM »
You now have permission to build a Luftwaffe C-130J.

Germany has announced plans to purchase ‘between 4-6’ C-130J Super Hercules from Lockheed Martin.

It says the C-130Js will be used for ‘special operations support’ and that they will operate from airstrips ‘unavailable’ to the Airbus A400M Atlas.

The new aircraft will be ready for service from 2021 and they will be operated in co-operation with the French MoD.

The news comes as a serious blow for the Airbus aircraft, of which Luftwaffe has now received five  A400Ms.

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« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2016, 11:28:27 AM »
Chris Gibson's forthcoming On Atlas' Shoulders includes material on the BAC-222, Tyne-powered STOL Hercules.  Probably the first time good data on this project has become available.
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« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2017, 05:58:27 AM »
Possible VTOL Hercules inspiration:

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« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2017, 10:20:56 AM »
@Greg - No image showing in your last post.  :(
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« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2017, 10:29:55 AM »
Possible VTOL Hercules inspiration:


But smaller, that's the proposed production C-142.  Still, it would be interesting to see the same approach done to a C-130.  I wonder if you would need more powerful engines than the T56?  One thing the engines would need is an oil and drain system that would work in all attitudes of the engine (one reason the XV-15 used T53 engines was the work done to develop such a variant of the T53 for the XC-142 and Hiller X-18).

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« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2017, 02:11:48 AM »
@Greg - No image showing in your last post.  :(
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« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2017, 02:12:29 AM »

But smaller, that's the proposed production C-142. 

Yep - I was simply using as inspiration.
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« Reply #88 on: April 03, 2017, 11:00:25 AM »
@Greg - No image showing in your last post.  :(
How's that?
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« Reply #89 on: April 03, 2017, 11:16:49 AM »
Thanks Greg,

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« Reply #90 on: July 08, 2017, 09:20:56 AM »
There was a strange C-130 parked across the other side of runway 17R at Calgary International today which has got me intrigued ( I was watching it from the terminal where I was working). For starters, it was parked on Million Air's ramp (military aircraft usually go down to Apron 6 and sit on the Shell building ramp). Then I noticed it had no markings that you could see, and I watched it most of the day in different light as the sun went over us. I could see that it had what could be a serial number, this was because it was a darker grey to the quite light grey the aircraft was painted all over with. Except the nose radome, that was black. I could see on the side it was facing me that it had an oval or oblong bump, just behind and a little lower than the low cockpit window.

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« Reply #91 on: July 08, 2017, 11:24:20 AM »
A "Company" plane, perhaps?   ;)

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Air America?
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« Reply #93 on: July 08, 2017, 08:34:00 PM »
Air America?

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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2018, 10:07:40 AM »
LM-100J Super Hercules Goes Inverted at Farnborough 2018



Full story and embedded video of the complete C-130 display. Loop preparation starts around 6:00 and ends at 7:30.

https://c130mro.com/2018/07/18/lm-100j-super-hercules-inverted/

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« Reply #95 on: July 20, 2018, 11:51:07 AM »
Somewhere in the back there is a loadmaster cursing the pilot...
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« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2018, 05:27:13 PM »
Maybe he's hooked up to a 'man-size' jolly jumper     >:D >:D >:D
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« Reply #97 on: November 26, 2018, 01:55:46 AM »
Actually a Bell proposal for a a STOL jet transport in the same competition that led to the YC-14 and YC-15, these never-the-less give cool ideas for jet C-130s:


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« Reply #98 on: November 26, 2018, 05:32:39 AM »
I was reading about those on SPF, the top one was to have Harrier style engines.

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« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2018, 03:48:32 AM »
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« Reply #100 on: December 30, 2018, 04:44:46 AM »
One to confuse people even though it is real:  C-130H with 8 bladed propellors (which you can get in multiple scales BTW):


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« Reply #101 on: December 30, 2018, 05:47:54 AM »
Interesting --- but what does it do -- it's got bumps and scoops and radomes all over it

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« Reply #102 on: December 30, 2018, 06:26:58 AM »
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« Reply #103 on: December 30, 2018, 07:21:32 AM »
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« Reply #104 on: December 30, 2018, 08:49:18 AM »
I was reading the link about those, they had to do something because the NG had just about run out of the RATO units which were needed to get them off the ground when down under, and they're from the 50's and there's no more left, so they re-engined them plus the props.

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« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2018, 01:29:16 PM »
Those props are definitely great whiff material.

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« Reply #106 on: December 30, 2018, 07:33:42 PM »
Those props are definitely great whiff material.

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« Reply #107 on: December 31, 2018, 03:20:12 AM »
You can get some in various scales here:  https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace?type=product&q=NP2000
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« Reply #108 on: March 05, 2019, 02:48:53 PM »
What about the C-130 Hercules having a Antonov An-32-type high engine nacelles arrangement above wing incorporated to allowed for larger diameter propellers to be fitted, so as to give an even better STOL capability??😯

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« Reply #109 on: March 06, 2019, 01:03:30 AM »
One might get a close approximation of that by fitting a P-3 wing to a C-130.
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« Reply #110 on: March 06, 2019, 03:03:56 AM »
One might get a close approximation of that by fitting a P-3 wing to a C-130.

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« Reply #111 on: May 16, 2019, 08:20:00 PM »
Yet another nose job for the C-130.



Lockheed Martin has released a video showing one of the first MC-130J Commando II special operations transports equipped with the Raytheon AN/APQ-187 Silent Knight terrain-following/terrain avoidance radar.

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« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2019, 09:30:38 PM »
Here's some of photos of Dave's (sandiego89 on the What If Forum) C-130 Vectored Thrust C-130

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« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2019, 02:03:49 AM »
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« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2019, 02:27:35 AM »
Here's some of photos of Dave's (sandiego89 on the What If Forum) C-130 Vectored Thrust C-130
Reminiscent of a Lockheed proposal I remember seeing at the 1972 Turin Air Show.

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« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2019, 03:10:25 AM »
Are those Harrier fuselages for engines on the vector thrust herc?

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« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2019, 04:03:49 AM »
Are those Harrier fuselages for engines on the vector thrust herc?

From the build thread:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #117 on: May 24, 2019, 05:34:47 AM »
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« Reply #118 on: May 24, 2019, 07:51:03 AM »
Nice, though if I remember correctly (after 47 years) the back ends of the nacelles were rounded off like those on the Do-31.

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« Reply #119 on: May 24, 2019, 07:57:43 AM »
Dave finished of the nacelles like this Evan

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« Reply #120 on: May 24, 2019, 08:02:21 AM »
IIRC, the Lockheed drawing depicted them differently, but it's been a long, long time since I saw it.

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« Reply #121 on: May 25, 2019, 02:15:23 AM »
Alternative approaches to the same:



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« Reply #122 on: May 25, 2019, 05:33:27 AM »
Alternative approaches to the same:

A should-have-been  :smiley:  It's too bad that Dornier never tried a STOL Do 31 variant with longer-span wings.
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« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2019, 02:53:24 AM »
Perhaps a STOL optimized version of the 231M.
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« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2019, 03:05:08 AM »
Ditch the lift engines and use two uprated Pegasus engines for the main engines?  I could see that working nicely as a stol transport and it would look very nice.  I wonder how a Do328 fuselage would compare to the Do31 fuselage for a cleaner nose and cockpit section for such a whif?

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« Reply #126 on: June 16, 2019, 07:49:06 AM »
Thanks Jon. That Do 231M should clean up very nicely  :smiley:

Ditch the lift engines and use two uprated Pegasus engines for the main engines?  I could see that working nicely as a stol transport and it would look very nice.  I wonder how a Do328 fuselage would compare to the Do31 fuselage for a cleaner nose and cockpit section for such a whif?

That was my thought too, Evan. Ditch the liftjets and lengthen the span. The Do 328 is very slick-looking but that distinctive Do 31 nose appeals to me for some reason (less the probe, of course).
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« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2019, 06:33:18 AM »
U.S. Navy Announces the Purchase of a Royal Air Force C-130J Hercules for the Blue Angels

Patuxent River, Md. - - The Navy has announced the award of the Naval Flight Demonstration Squadron’s new “Fat Albert,” the Blue Angels’ logistics cargo plane.

Scheduled for delivery in spring 2020, the $29.7 million contract was awarded to the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence (UK MOD) for a divested C-130J Super Hercules. Cost savings associated with acquisition of the used aircraft and other airworthiness requirements is approximately $50 million less than the cost of a new aircraft.

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« Reply #128 on: June 25, 2019, 08:45:33 AM »
Good deal for the US Navy, not sure for the U.K. MoD.

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #129 on: June 27, 2019, 03:40:05 AM »
A useful overview:

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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #130 on: June 27, 2019, 03:48:37 AM »
Behold, the 8-engined C-130C with 4 standard Allison T56-A-9 turboprops plus 4 (two per pod) Allison YT56 gas generators under each outer wing, to provide bleed air for control surfaces and flaps.

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« Reply #131 on: June 27, 2019, 05:28:33 AM »
I keep thinking of a C-130J-based variant of the C-130C but with the enlarged tail surfaces tested on the HTTB stol tests.

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« Reply #132 on: June 27, 2019, 09:03:43 AM »
Was watching a video last week that had some footage of that same C-130 doing some spectacular STOL things on a primitive airstrip. 

Wikipedia has this to say aboot this particular Lockheed C-130 Hercules in the image above:
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Re: Lockheed C-130 Hercules
« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2019, 02:29:19 AM »
This one Jeff?

https://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675031745_Lockheed-C-130C-Hercules_high-performance-take-off_engine-nacelle_wing-flaps-of-the-plane

The most impressive had to be the Credible Sport Super-STOL Hercules Tests:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT8ktOD7IUo



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« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2019, 02:41:00 AM »
Speaking of short landing and take off C-130s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-poc38C84

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« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2019, 01:22:39 PM »
@Greg/GTX - yes, that is the video that I was watching at YouTube but it included a lot of other dog and pony show elements in addition to the hot rod C-130 with BLC.
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« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2019, 10:07:16 PM »
The ship looks like it's moving at a fair clip too ---  :-\

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« Reply #137 on: June 29, 2019, 02:01:44 AM »
The USS Forrestal kept 40 knots over the bow for the duration of the trials.

Note the nose art:

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« Reply #138 on: August 06, 2019, 07:19:38 PM »
America's New AC-130J Ghostrider Gunship Is a Beast



Described by AFSOC officials as "the ultimate battle plane" and "a bomb truck with guns on it," the Ghostrider comes with the standard 105mm cannon and an additional 30mm GAU-23/A cannon, along with wing pylons designed for both GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bombs and AGM-114 Hellfire missiles.

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« Reply #139 on: August 06, 2019, 10:13:23 PM »
And just two cannon   :icon_surprised: