Author Topic: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II* (With painted figures)  (Read 35349 times)

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Started this yesterday after pulling it out of the box to have a look at today (along with an Airfix M3 Grant tank, a Trumpeter LAV.III & a Trumpeter F9F-3 Panther).

The Mk.II* is a Hobby Boss offering & looks like a good, relatively simple build to re-start messing up the workspace after the Big Clean.

In the Real World; the Australian Army had 4 Mk.II* Specials, purchased in 1929.

 

Video: https://youtu.be/ouSW8srfD50


This will NOT be a Mk.II* Special, but will be one of a greater number of RAM Mk.II* tanks (I'm thinking a "Paper Battalion").


Note: The following is the mental ramblings of a demented Wombat working out the structure of the inter-war Royal Australian Marines Armoured Corps, to be slotted into the over-arching story of the History of the RAMs.


My "Paper Armoured Battalion" will have an "on paper" structure roughly akin to;

5 Companies - Headquarters Coy, A Coy, B Coy, C Coy, D Coy

Bn HQ Coy = No 1 (Battle) Group [2 x tanks, 2 x light tanks, 4 x tracked carriers, 2 x armoured cars], No 2 (Support) Group [8 x Ordnance QF 18-pounder guns (including gun tractors, crews & ammunition tractors), 10 x cargo trucks & 4 x armoured cars] & No 3 (Administration) Group [4 x armoured cars, 2 x tracked carriers, 6 x 4x4 trucks]

A - D Coy = HQ Sect'n, 1st Sect'n, 2nd Sect'n, 3rd Sect'n, 4th Sect'n

HQ Sect'n = 1 x tank, 1 x light tank, 2 x tracked carriers, 1 x armoured car

1st - 4th Sect'n = 4 x tanks


Actual strength ca. 1933;

Bn HQ = No 1 (Battle) Group [2 x tanks, 2 x light tanks, 4 x tracked carriers, 2 x armoured cars], No 2 (Support) Group [8 x Ordnance QF 18-pounder guns (including gun tractors, crews & ammunition tractors), 10 x cargo trucks & 4 x armoured cars] & No 3 (Administration) Group [4 x armoured cars, 2 x tracked carriers, 6 x 4x4 trucks]

A - B Coy = HQ Sect'n, 1st Sect'n, 2nd Sect'n

HQ Sect'n = 1 x tank, 1 x light tank, 2 x tracked carriers/4x4 trucks (depending on availability), 1 x armoured car

1st - 2nd Sect'n = 4 x tanks/light tanks/tracked carriers/armoured cars (depending on availability)

This was acheived with 10 x Vickers Medium Mk.II*s (3 were generally kept off-line for major maintenance at any given time), 6 x Vickers Light tank Mk.IVs (replaced by Mk.VIs from 1937), 6 x modified 2nd-hand Vickers Medium Mk.I tanks cut down & used as cargo/troop carriers, 10 Rolls Royce 1920-Pattern armoured cars & a mix of Marmon-Herrington & Dodge 4x4 trucks (usually around 20 in number).

The PAB will be heavy in officers & NCOs, with a strong focus on command, initiative, coordination, innovation & determination. Thus setting itself up to carefully expand to full battalion strength in early 1937, & its ability to clone itself multiple times over in quick succession after war is declared in September 1939.

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I'm sticking with a standard Mk.II* in an unusual environment (Australia) ... possibly camouflaged in a Solomon scheme variant;

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Mother was the first tank to be painted, on June 16. Solomon had a detachment of six men to assist him, but preferred to personally paint the machines. In his 1937 memoir, Basil Henriques, an officer of C Company, recalls him painting "..as if he were covering a canvas for the Royal Academy." A rather indistinct photo of Mother, probably taken in the winter of 1916-17, shows her in this camouflage scheme.

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/images/Solomon_Camouflage_3.jpg
Mother in camouflage (Coventry Transport Museum)

Solomon’s diary does not describe his camouflage scheme, but Henriques recalls that "The effect was a kind of rather jolly landscape in green against a pink sunset sky." Camouflage covers for the tanks were also painted. The tank crews were instructed to copy his design, which they did "..with great care but little skill." Trevor Pidgeon has noted that a well-known photograph of a Mk.I, usually captioned as going into action at Flers- Courcellette, must have been actually taken at Elveden. If this is the case, it may be the only known photograph of camouflaged Mk.I taken before the tanks were sent to France, and shows a camouflage pattern similar to Solomon's scheme as seen on Mother..

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/images/Solomon_Camouflage_4.jpg
A Mk.I at Elveden (IWM)

The Tanks in France

Henriques recalls with chagrin that "..no sooner had we disembarked in France than we were immediately ordered to paint over our landscape with a bold pattern of brown, broken by broad black lines." A camouflage expert with the B.E.F. had judged Solomon’s scheme to be unsuitable. In fairness to Solomon, he had made his observations of largely intact landscapes in springtime. No one could have foreseen the appearance of the Somme’s shattered wasteland in late summer. Lt. Head, of D Company, also comments that the tanks were camouflaged at Yvrench. Perry Robinson, a war correspondent for the Times, closely observed the tanks after they had been repainted, on the eve of their first engagement. Writing in 1917, he states that "The brutes were all painted in blotched reptilian colours, hues of rattlesnake and iguana, yellow and dull grey and black and mottled brown, and in the failing light, against the brown-green earth, they were strangely invisible." When comparing the photographs taken in France to that of the Elveden tank, it is evident that Solomon’s irregular, blotched pattern had been largely retained, despite the change of colour scheme. A close examination, however, reveals subtle differences in pattern from this vehicle, and between the tanks of A, C and D Company. This may be the result of each company’s arrival in France at a different time. It must be conceded, however, that a considerable overlap in camouflage style exists within the companies which fought on the Somme, and only a minority of their 85 machines seem to have been photographed. The predominant C Company pattern bears the most resemblance to the Elveden vehicle. The colour blotches are interspersed with broad bands of black , of varying thickness and irregular border. Some of the blotches appear to contain small daubs of a lighter colour, perhaps as a result of hasty over-painting, although this can also be seen on the Elveden tank.

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/images/Solomon_Camouflage_6.jpg
C.19 (Tank Museum)

D Company seems to have favoured using more uniform black stripes to outline the patches of colour.

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/images/Solomon_Camouflage_7.jpg
D.17 (AWM)

The Mk.II tank at Bovington, which would not have received an original Solomon paint scheme, was modified and painted to resemble a Mk.I, and was on display in Chertsey the 1940s. This vehicle seems to have been the model for the Airfix kit, and its artwork.

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/images/Solomon_Camouflage_17.jpg
The Hatfield Park Mk.I, now at Bovington (Tank Museum)

From: http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles/Solomon_Camouflage.html


### PLEASE NOTE: There are http:// links in the above text which either won't display (photo's) or won't connect from the page (link). I don't know why, it works on What If Modelers ###
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2024, 09:18:01 AM »
All the images appear to work for me
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2024, 03:29:53 PM »
All the images appear to work for me

Same for me.

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2024, 10:54:49 PM »
All http: images & links stopped working for me on this site some time ago.

I'm assuming that I clicked something unintentionally, somewhere along the line, but I can't figure out what so I can un-click it! :-\
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2024, 07:08:26 AM »
Be a speco paint job.

Did it on a Takom Mk1 build, it takes some time, but looks really good.

on the link business. You might find some browsers baulk at http because it is considered insecure (needs to be https) and perhaps the browser settings may inhibit access.

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2024, 12:30:34 PM »
I just wish I could work out what I need to click/change to get this site to open images from http: sites, like WiM & others do. :-\
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2024, 11:04:26 PM »
Progress has progressed, but slowly, & I'm currently stalled waiting for a spare moment to prime most of the sub-assemblies I've built, & various loose parts, & colour some bits before I can continue construction.

I may take some photo's, if I get time, if it's not long enough to do the painting.

 :smiley:
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2024, 06:07:01 AM »
Colour me excited!  :smiley:
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2024, 12:29:32 AM »
I have been working on this, just not in any significant amount (RWS getting in the way) or to any great effect (indecision & AMS slowing me down).
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2024, 08:15:16 PM »
 It happens…  :(

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2024, 03:49:04 PM »
First actual images of the build:











My apologies for that last photo, it seems the camera thought the instructions & paint brushes in the background were more important than the foreground object. :rolleyes:


The green paint is SMS Premium "Dark Green G4 - British WWII AFV". It's covering the undersides of the tank, the gap between the armour over the suspension units & the track guards, & the undersides of the track guards - I've also used it inside any open spaces, like air-filter boxes, etc., with what was left in the airbrush going down as a bit of pre-shading.


I'll be moving on to the return rollers & indy-link tracks (non-functional) next, while I further contemplate how I'm going to paint the camouflage.


Thanks for looking! :smiley:
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2024, 01:08:21 AM »
Looking good
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2024, 04:35:13 AM »
Indeed  :smiley:  Watching with interest, Guy!
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2024, 02:37:46 PM »
Looking good and a fine set of paint brushes too!  :smiley:  ;)  :smiley:
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2024, 06:00:56 PM »
Thanks, gents! :icon_alabanza:

The return rollers are built (still need painting) & I'm working on the tracks at a steady, careful pace.
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2024, 11:47:38 PM »
It looks good so far. The Mk II is a bit obscure but pretty important in terms of early AFV development.

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2024, 06:52:33 AM »
All in all, this build has got me interested in this kit.

Bring on the next paint bit  :smiley:

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2024, 03:08:59 PM »
Thanks, blokes! :icon_alabanza:


BT, the kit is quite good & goes together without any issues. Very simple, really, & allows for a pre-war & early-war version. My biggest gripe is that it screams out for a full interior; there are lots of big hatches that could easily be mounted in the open position but there's nothing inside except the hull mounted Vickers guns. Having seen the interior in a video walk-around, there ain't much in there, so it's not like it would have been difficult or much more expensive to do. Yes, scratch building the interior is an option but getting to Pucka to get photo's of all the interior is a bit problematic at the moment.
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2024, 03:49:28 PM »
Thanks, blokes! :icon_alabanza:


BT, the kit is quite good & goes together without any issues. Very simple, really, & allows for a pre-war & early-war version. My biggest gripe is that it screams out for a full interior; there are lots of big hatches that could easily be mounted in the open position but there's nothing inside except the hull mounted Vickers guns. Having seen the interior in a video walk-around, there ain't much in there, so it's not like it would have been difficult or much more expensive to do. Yes, scratch building the interior is an option but getting to Pucka to get photo's of all the interior is a bit problematic at the moment.


You mean like this ;)

Russel at IMACO.. might be able to help you out... next time
http://www.imaco.com.hk/cgi-bin/prod.pl/id/IMA10935


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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2024, 05:01:36 PM »
Exactly like that! :smiley:

Although that does increase the cost by about 50%. :icon_crap:

Still, it's now tempting to buy another & order that AM kit. ;)
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2024, 08:44:00 PM »
Half the track links done! :smiley:
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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2024, 12:34:37 AM »
The Vickers is looking good. I want to make one as an early APC. The interior kit looks interesting. Panzerserra Bunker built a Mk.II* for a client.


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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2024, 03:44:04 AM »
The Vickers is looking good. I want to make one as an early APC. The interior kit looks interesting. Panzerserra Bunker built a Mk.II* for a client.

... and then the spare turret becomes a 1940 bunker on the Libyan border or one of those training turrets in Egypt?

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2024, 03:55:36 AM »
Or on the back of a quad gun tractor.

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Re: Royal Australian Marines Vickers Medium Tank Mk.II*
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2024, 09:14:54 AM »
The tropical version with *asbestos* outside lining has different look.