Author Topic: Stuart Light Tank (M3 and M5) Family of Vehicles  (Read 24874 times)

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Re: Stuart light tanks armed with a 47mm?
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2013, 06:25:48 AM »
It honestly depends on the 47mm gun.  If it's something like the 47 mm SA 35, then probably not.  At the very least, it would be a tight fit.  If it was something more akin to the 47 mm Cannone da 47/32 M35, then there probably wouldn't be much problem with it.

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Thanks Logan.
An E Book I had read had the M3 light tank armed with a 47 mm.

Could be typo of 37mm  ???
That is a good point. But when I read it,I was picturing in my mind of a normal Stuart with a 47 mm. I guess it would have to be a bit wider and longer to handle a 47,
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Re: Stuart light tanks armed with a 47mm?
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2013, 08:21:56 AM »
Longer turret definitely.  Longer recoil travel would need to be accommodated.   However, not that much substantial difference in penetration between most 37mm and most 47mm guns.  If you wanted to upgrade a Stuart, put a 2 Pdr in it.  Slightly better penetration than the US 37mm and about the same size and recoil travel.

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Stuart tank
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2013, 01:02:28 PM »
Posing this question for those of you who know tanks and tank FCS and etc...
I have Stuart kits in 1/35 and 1/72.   Presume others at BTS do too.
To build Stuarts M3 & M5 as modernized with contemporary FCS and whatever else thatz new --- what would you add/delete to indicate it has a 21st Century modernization ?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2013, 01:24:02 PM »
Maybe give it a fluted barrel (see below) as well as external sensor heads/turret.  Maybe also ERA armour and a external ATGW mount.

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2013, 01:32:06 PM »
Well there is this M3A3 with Vulcan that's been languishing on the shelf o' doom.



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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2013, 01:35:25 PM »
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2013, 01:46:35 PM »
Nice surprise :)
Wasn't thinking in that kinda direction.  Do like it.
Perhaps a Cobra helicopter 3-barrel 20mm in stock turret.
What are examples of proper external sensor heads for 20mm or the 37mm ?

With that much of a start and it looking so right; otta move it to front of next to be finished queue.
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2013, 02:23:05 PM »
If you're going for a (small) gun tank; enhanced optical, infra-red & thermal imaging systems, & laser range-finder would be essential. ERA, definitely; otherwise its merely a mobile crematorium. Maybe a 30mm chaingun firing the GAU-8 round? Bigger engine, diesel, or go for a small gas turbine (as per M1 Abrams). Boxed ATGW, at least 1, possibly 2 (for those hard-to-kill targets). May not be great in the front line, but could make a decent LoC & logistics smasher!

Vulcan-type systems, these days, it's definitely going to be infantry fire support. So, the same imagining systems as above & the option of laser rangefinder (not essential, though). Spaced ceramic armour (open turret + ERA = not so healthy for crew). Probably go with the diesel for your new engine.

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2013, 04:46:22 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG. 

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2013, 05:22:28 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG.

You got me stumped.  Whatz "KCA" ?

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2013, 05:36:49 PM »
Whooping big single barrel revolver canon firing same ammo as GAU-8 Avenger in the A-10.  Its main service use was on the JA37 Viggen

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2013, 05:37:01 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG.

You got me stumped.  Whatz "KCA" ?

It's a type of cannon By Oerlikon of Switzerland.  It has the longest barrel of the present crop of 30mm cannon (which means essentially one of the highest muzzle velocity [1030m/sec] ).  It fires the same round as the GAU-8 (30×173mm).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2013, 11:39:22 PM »
Or a single barrel KCA  (30x173mm), same ammo, smaller, lighter and a coax MG.

You got me stumped.  Whatz "KCA" ?

It's a type of cannon By Oerlikon of Switzerland.  It has the longest barrel of the present crop of 30mm cannon (which means essentially one of the highest muzzle velocity [1030m/sec] ).  It fires the same round as the GAU-8 (30×173mm).

Cool, I can go with that! 8)

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2013, 07:44:32 AM »
More discussion.
Cobra 3bbl 20mm fits in small turret.  Figure is good to fit M3 turret.
Would 25mm Bushmaster or 30mm KCA also fit and fire ?
Seems long KCA barrel needs more support than Stuart provides.

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2013, 08:44:51 AM »
Fit an external barrel support.  They are used on various weapons, including the Jordanian Scorpions fitted with a 30mm cannon.   They also prevent barrel whip or droop (although droop usually sorts itself out, with the barrel straightening as the round fires).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2013, 01:17:31 PM »
Or re-design the turret to be both more supportive of the barrel & more resistant to incoming fire (angled sides, rather than flat).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2013, 07:30:44 PM »
Re- think: how about two pods of ATGWs on the sides of the turret and the 37mm replace by a 40mm AGL to keep the enemy infantry teams away?
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2013, 11:06:03 PM »
Ooh, forgot to say, definitely remove the bow .30-cal mg. If necessary, fit a 7.62mm co-axial (I think even the largest possible turret would be too small for a .50-cal co-ax).

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2013, 02:08:33 AM »
40mm AGL --- didn't think of that - Thanks
Stuarts will be deployed as part of (1/72 diorama) archipelago defense forces mostly to thwart infiltrators.
So,,,,,   3bbl 20mm, 25mm Bushmaster, 40mm AGL  may each be mounted on different Stuarts.
Yes - 7.62 coax always good to have  :)
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2013, 09:48:41 AM »
Another thought.... Would the M-1117 turret fit? 40mm AGL & .50-cal ready to rumble!
(Remember, I'm 5000 km from my stash, so I can't check.)

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2013, 04:45:03 AM »
From the World of Tanks link posted in the "M4 Sherman" thread I saw this vehicle, the SO-75, an M3A3 chassis fitted with the 75mm Pak 40:
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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2013, 01:38:54 PM »
Yugoslav Partisan conversion 1944 - if I remember correctly 3 of these were built plus two with German quad-flaks, all used in combat.

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2013, 01:10:40 AM »
Got a running WWII tank for your little South American army but the lack of firepower is getting you down?  We have the solution!



Combine with new digital camo for that ultra-modern look!



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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2013, 10:13:20 AM »
OK, this "digital" camo is completely out of hand!
Nice pics.......where do you find these?

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Re: Stuart tank
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2013, 11:00:04 AM »
Thanks!  They came from here.  Plenty of whif inspiration here.

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