Author Topic: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV  (Read 36699 times)

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2012, 06:00:40 AM »
I wonder if the turret from the M24 Chaffee would fit onto the Marder? Or maybe the Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma turret? This giveth me some ideas. :o
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2012, 10:23:43 AM »
Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal?  :icon_music:

Yes, a real project but no prototype (or mock-up AFAIK). The final variation had an up-armoured turret much like the Leopard 2A5. A rough translation:

"TAP (Tanque Argentino Pesado)

In the middle of the '80s, TAMSE began development of a TAM successor of the TAM for the '90s, the Tanque Argentino Pesado (Heavy Argentine Tank). TAP would incorporate 65% TAM components but would be better protected, have improved electronics, and a 120mm Reinmetall L/44 gun. TAP would have a lengthened chassis (with seven roadwheels instead of six) and a more powerful, domestically-produced engine if possible.

TAP would weigh in the order of the 51.5 tons. Despite the economic problems of the '80s, the TAP project advanced well. Unfortunately for TAMSE, the Exército Argentino showed no interest in TAP. TAMSE looked abroad for clients and Iran was interested (along with TAM and VCTP) but export permission was not granted. With no expectations of production, TAMSE then abandoned the TAP project."

Re: that Dragon SPAAG, does anyone know for certain what 30mm guns TAMSE was proposing?

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2012, 10:55:36 AM »
Actually its configuration sounds rather like that of the Merkava...

... "ambutank" TAP?  >:D
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2012, 01:52:50 AM »
I wonder if the turret from the M24 Chaffee would fit onto the Marder? Or maybe the Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma turret? This giveth me some ideas. :o

Fitting the turret from the M24 Chaffee or maybe the turret from the Scimitar or Scorpion to create something more contemporary.  Or how about a Scorpion turret fitted with the 75mm gun from the M24 Chaffee?  All that needs to be done is to cut a hole large enough for the turret to fit and that should not be an issue. 

Now for something I just found this morning over on the Track-Link forums that was built by Diethelm Berlage based on a concept for a Canadian Marder called the CCV (Close Combat Vehicle).  Diethelm kitbashed a Marder with the Delco 25mm turret from the LAV/MOWAG Piranha to create his CCV which you can view at this link at the Track-Link forums: CCV Marten (Marder)

Track-Link will not allow hot-linking images so you have to go there to see the finished model. 

More of Diethelm's work can be seen at this link to his models in the Track-Link gallery
« Last Edit: November 17, 2012, 02:03:16 AM by Jeffry Fontaine »
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2012, 06:51:18 AM »
Great to see it built! And Herr Berlage was right, the original retouched on CASR was based on an Argentinian VCTP hull.
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2014, 02:21:01 PM »
I rather like the look of the recent Rheinmetall IFV upgrade but there's not much of the original Marder left recognizable except the wheels and track. So, what's a modeller to do?

How about putting wheels underneath the remaining Marder upper hull?

The wheeled Marder looks great, at first I thought it was a Boxer with a Marder Turret, which raises an idea or two.

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2014, 04:43:00 AM »
How about a Marder as a dedicated anti-tank/anti personal vehicle with a turret akin to the Terminator BMPT?

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2014, 09:00:27 AM »
Firefighting versions in use by a German company:

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2014, 02:05:23 AM »
Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal?  :icon_music:

Yes, a real project but no prototype (or mock-up AFAIK). The final variation had an up-armoured turret much like the Leopard 2A5.

I am really inclined to wonder if it's to merely be a turret patterned after that of the Leopard 2 or it is to precisely be a licence-built Leopard 2 turret......
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2015, 10:29:28 PM »
Hello,
after show my Marder-collection here in the "physical models" now I show some project. First the argentinian Tam-tank. Some years long they will modernisation the TAM. Perhaps old turrets from german Leo 2 on longer TAM or chassis from the VCA. I check it with my models some years ago.








Sometimes it was the idea to put old Merkava-turreds on the TAM.






But the real is only a short-modernisation. The new tank called "TAM2c" (second generation). Oh yes, some parts look israeli. I will build this tank later.
But now I will finished these Marder-projects:

Marder APC "Marder evolution vehicle family":




And a test vehicle with a early lance-turret. It is the same system like in the PUMA


I hope, you like this,
Didi from germany

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2015, 04:19:34 AM »
Any plans t do some of the TAM developments, such as the VCLC:

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2015, 12:11:26 AM »
Any plans t do some of the TAM developments,


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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2015, 04:42:35 AM »
Great stuff, Didi! I love the Lance turret conversion. Any idea of a name/designation for the RWS version?
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2015, 04:52:23 AM »
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2015, 04:45:18 PM »
Any idea of a name/designation for the RWS version?

You mean the weapon station on the APC? First I need it from Revell´s Boxer. Than I see, in real it is the "M151 Protector", and it is a seperate kit from AFV-club for their strykers.