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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2012, 10:14:52 PM »
Would the Marder hull be capable of accommodating the 105mm gun turret from the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System?   
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2012, 10:32:13 PM »
I don't see why not.  The Argentinians developed the TAM tank off the basic design and it's related to the Leopard 1 either way.

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2012, 03:58:34 AM »
Jeffry: the experimental Thyssen/Henschel VTS-1 was a Marder hull with a 105mm RWS.
http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1762.asp

John: the Argies didn't really develop the TAM. 'Tanque Argentino Mediano' is just the EjÚrcito Argentino's name for the licenced Thyssen-Henschel TH 301. </JMN mode>
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2012, 04:07:30 AM »
Jeffry: the experimental Thyssen/Henschel VTS-1 was a Marder hull with a 105mm RWS.
http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1762.asp


Thanks for providing the link/image.  That configuration certainly looks interesting with the elevated main gun.  The MGS turret would be a bit wider but still a possibility to make it fit in the confines of the hull. 
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2012, 04:08:34 AM »
Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2012, 04:16:34 AM »
Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
 

Gun forward and engine to the rear?  That could work but there are better and certainly much sturdier platforms for such a concept. 

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 06:24:24 AM »
John: the Argies didn't really develop the TAM. 'Tanque Argentino Mediano' is just the EjÚrcito Argentino's name for the licenced Thyssen-Henschel TH 301. </JMN mode>

Whilst I'm aware that the original TAM was designed by Thyssen-Henschel, the TAM was produced in Argentina in seven variants I believe.  The TH-301 was a development of the original TAM design (initially designated TAM-4) differing in powerpack, fire control & other details.  With this in mind, one would suggest that the TH-301 is, in fact, a development of the TAM.

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2012, 08:12:07 AM »
the Stryker MGS turret wil "just" fit the Marder chassis !

I'm currently doing (an updated) Abrams version which was built.  Teledyne had 1/35th models of it on Abrams, Leopard1, Centurion -- the Centurion one was later built by Jordan.

The AFV Club MGS kit has a few issues re a wrong part number & several very fragile bits.

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 04:46:56 PM »
Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
 

Gun forward and engine to the rear?  That could work but there are better and certainly much sturdier platforms for such a concept. 

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2012, 12:19:05 PM »
Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?

That sounds very much like the Swedish UDES 11 concept.

In the other hemisphere, TAP was to be a tank derivative on the stretched VCA Palmaria hull.
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2012, 10:08:55 AM »
I rather like the look of the recent Rheinmetall IFV upgrade but there's not much of the original Marder left recognizable except the wheels and track. So, what's a modeller to do?

How about putting wheels underneath the remaining Marder upper hull?
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2012, 01:32:00 PM »
 :)
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2012, 08:10:48 AM »
Picking up the Marder SPAAG theme again, here's a model Diethelm Berlage (mentioned earlier in this thread) built of an actually proposed Marder SPAAG. Of course, it wasn't adopted.



On the left is a Marder in Barracuda netting and the thing without turret on the right is a gunnery range "referee tank".
I took the pic at the 6th DPMV Konvent (see more pics HERE).
Too bad we only dropped by Diethelm's display when he was already packing up, so I only got this pic. The Begleitpanzer he built was already stashed in the car. Chatted with him for a couple of minutes , though. Really nice guy.  :) Said he built forty(!) Marders so far.  :icon_surprised:

EDIT: Just found an actual pic of the Marder SPAAG!  :icon_surprised:

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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2012, 08:14:33 AM »
In the other hemisphere, TAP was to be a tank derivative on the stretched VCA Palmaria hull.

Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal?  :icon_music:
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Re: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2012, 08:22:04 AM »
^ I think so. I think there's a pic of it in THIS BOOK. I'm not sure, though, and I don't remember whether it was just a drawing or a pic of a mock-up.
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