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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2026, 09:29:34 AM »
Civilian aircraft are unrepresented here. There have been a number of Candian bushplane kits - the old 1/72 Norseman is the best-known. But there have others ... from Fairchild vacuforms right up to a snap-fit Beaver in 1/24. With heaps of work, that promotional (Canadian Mist whiskey) Beaver kit could be turned into a detailed work of art!

-- https://www.hyperscale.com/2009/features/dhc224gm_1.htm

There have been 1/144 kits of various commuter airliners - DHC-7s, DHC-8s, CRJs, etc. - from Welsh Models, Model Design Construction, and the like. But my personal favorite is the Avro Canada C.102 Jetliner ...

There was a limited-run resin kit (FR14032) in 1/144 from F-RSIN. That is likely an eBay find nowadays ... but it did come with a metal undercarriage and decals.

Another eBay find might be the 1/72 scale Jetliner from Execuform for those who don't mind vacuform builds.

Then, there is a free 3D print version of the C.102 on Printables. It was designed for ~1/305 scale but said to scale to 1/61 (based on a feet to mm conversion). Others would know better but that suggests that this file should rescale to more common sizes - like 1/144 or 1/72 scale.

-- https://www.printables.com/model/12369-c-102-avro-jetliner
-- https://www.printables.com/model/12369-c-102-avro-jetliner/comments
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2026, 01:38:43 AM »



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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2026, 05:41:54 AM »
There are a couple of balsa kits of Alexander Graham Bell's Hydrodome #4 hydrofoil:
https://ayptravels.com/2019-nova-scotia-part-4-cape-breton-bells-hydrofoils/
A submarine hull, some HO bridges and you could be almost there!
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2026, 07:43:30 AM »
Was this illustration the British SST or the American version?
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« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2026, 10:15:40 AM »
Was this illustration the British SST or the American version?

The first three all look like Concordes.

[Edit] Forgot to mention that Canada had is own, domestic SST design the Avro Canada STAT project. See:

-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/avro-canada-sst-feasibility-study.5181/
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/late-50s-avro-canada-projects.5182/

When Avro Canada tanked, Advanced Projects Group leader John Frost returned to the UK. There, he joined the Hawker Siddeley SST team working on Britain's Supersonic Transport Advisory Committee requirment  ... so, stretching a point (a lot), you could claim that Avro Canada's STAT study played a minor and rather distant role contribution to Concorde.

(Ultimately, STAC supported development of the resulting HSA.1000 ... although its was actually the competing Bristol 198 design that would form the Brit side of Concorde. /trivia )
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2026, 12:26:05 AM »
Was this illustration the British SST or the American version?
The last two are Boeing dreams.

There's a mix of Concorde's and others there.
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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2026, 02:27:03 AM »
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2026, 04:04:25 AM »
Some semi-random Canuck-related links from the Secret Projects Forum ...

As its title suggests, this one lists some Victory Aircraft projects. (The attempt to fill in Victory project numbers is highly speculative ... but could be suggestive for what-if scenarios?)

-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/victory-aircraft-ltd-projects.40169/

Another SPF title is 'Canadian Navigation Trainer Competition for RCAF' ... which should read 'Competitions' since they had to take multiple stabs at the requirement. After WW2, both the Avro Canada C.101 and Fairchild Canada F-8  designs were rendered as mockups. (Then the RCAF realised that it could convert war-surplus Mitchells for a song.)

-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/canadian-navigation-trainer-competition-for-rcaf.40224/
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2026, 04:07:20 AM »
And Canadian armoured vehicle stuff from SPF ...

A rather infamous Cold War Canadian development was the Bobcat - meant to fill APC and various carrier roles. Concept, design, and executions were all a mess!
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/canadian-xa-20-apc.1929/

Related: AN/MPQ-501 counter-mortar radar (planned Bobcat mount):
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saracen-in-canada.36363/#post-433830

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Some other SPF links to failed Canadian armoured vehicle projects during WW2. They can't all be winners!  :P

4x6, 6x8, 8x8? The Wolf heavy armoured car (with Ram I turret!)
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/canadian-wolf-heavy-armoured-car-from-wwii.28943/

Another dog, the Universal Scout Car, received no name at all:
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/universal-scout-car-canadian.14525/

Small car, big gun prototype:
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/an-experimental-anti-tank-lynx-armoured-car-prototype.39793/
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #85 on: October 13, 2026, 07:54:19 AM »
Another RW Canadian Vehicle - The Benighted Bobcat

During the Cold War era, Canada became somewhat infamous for cancelled projects. Some had great promise but were chopped for economic or purely political reasons. Others were just dragged-out efforts to turn sow's ears into silk purses. And there is no better example of the latter than the Canadian Army's Bobcat APC.

The corporate development history of the Bobcat sounds like the run-up to a typical barroom joke. Begun by Leyland (Canada); it was taken over by CCF; which, in turn, was gobbled up by Avro Canada; which tanked leaving the Bobcat in the horrified hands of parent firm, Hawker Siddeley Canada; only for DND to junk the entire, decade-long development process.

The conceptual and mechanical downsides of the Bobcat are well-covered on the web. Any upsides? Well, the Bobcat was more compact than the US M113 then just entering service. [1] It had wider tracks than contemporary APCs. [2] And it was a good swimmer in contrast with the FV432 which entered British service the year that Bobcat was scrapped. [1]

Polishing a Turd? - The Whif Bobcat II

So, could anything have been salvaged from the original Bobcat programme. Probably not ... but are we not whiffers?

The worst part of the Bobcat was its drivetrain arrangement - engine in the front; driveshaft passing through the rear compartment; driving a bulky transaxle at the back. From the dismounts' PoV, the worst bit was a very cramped rear compartment. But, as soon as the larger-capacity Hercules transport enters the equation, the Bobcat could be made both wider and taller.

In the attached image, my what-if Bobcat II (left) is contrasted with the RW Bobcat (right). The biggest change is mechanical - I've switched to front sprockets driven by a pancake engine beneath the crew (à la Pbv 302). Both crew and dismounts now sit much higher (and the turret gunner - who now has 360° traverse - has been shifted up and slightly aft).

Online specs guesstimate that the Bobcat carried 13 dismounts ... which I find ludicrous. I'm going to drop that to standard 1960 Canadian infantry squad size - 8 x other ranks plus 1 x NCO or officer. Even with a taller compartment, that'll be a squeeze with winter gear - hence the 'toboggan rack' at the rear for skis, snow shoes, and other excess gear.

Anyone have details on other obscure Canadian military vehicles? Or notions of how to improve better-known types?

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[1] The reason for that small size was that the Bobcat had to be carried in the RCAF's tactical transport - the Fairchild C-119. In the end, the GoC became fed up with DND's ditherings. The C-119 midlife plan was cancelled and Ottawa forced the replacement CC-130B Hercules on the RCAF. Meanwhile, the entire Bobcat programmed was junked and petrol-powered M113s bought for the Canadian Army.

Some APC comparisons (we'll see how this displays) ...

Meas.   Bobcat   M113      FV432

Mass           8 tons      13.6 tons      15 tons
Length   4.80 m      4.86 m      5.25 m
Width   1.88 m      2.67 m      2.55 m
Height   1.93 m      2.50 m      2.28 m
Crew   2 + 13      2 + 11-15      2 + 10

[2] These were 'rubber-band' tracks derived from 1950s snowmobiles. Good for saving weight. Not so good for durability over non-snowy surfaces!

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-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobcat_(armoured_personnel_carrier)
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/canadian-xa-20-apc.1929/
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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #86 on: Yesterday at 05:32:08 AM »
It is getting a bit late for Canadian Group Build 'Inspiration' but I just had to post this one ...
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« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 05:47:06 PM »
A humorous interlude.
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« Reply #88 on: Yesterday at 06:06:31 PM »
Diorama? 1/350 or 1/700?
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« Reply #89 on: Yesterday at 06:16:58 PM »
TSR-2.

1/72 409 SQN


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Re: Canadian Group Build - Inspiration
« Reply #90 on: Today at 12:54:09 AM »
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« Reply #91 on: Today at 12:54:34 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: Today at 12:54:49 AM »
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