Author Topic: A Waterbombing Gannet  (Read 699 times)

Offline kitnut617

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2019, 05:52:47 AM »
Some good kit bashing there  :smiley:

But I'm wondering if it's necessary. I've got a firebomber project going too, a Sunderland, but I figured it could only carry 8000 gals max of water (and I've upgraded the aircraft with turbo-props).
So I was just looking at the numbers for the Gannet. Empty weight it's 14,000lb (or 15,000lb depending who's quoting), max take-off weight is 22,000lb (and anywhere down to 19,000lb depending who's quoting  :P ). Fuel capacity is 613 Imp' Gals which would weigh just over 4,000lb, add in some other weight (oil, other equipment, crew) say 1000lb, you're down to 3000lb for a load. So with water at just over 10lb an Imp Gal, you would have a volume of 300 Gal, you could fit that in the existing bomb bay --- of course, your project could have been severely upgraded too  ----  ;)
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Offline Robomog

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 02:20:30 PM »
Thanks for the comment chaps,

Kitnut617:-  can't argue with the maths, I went through something similar when I was planning this one. Figured there would be some extra weight savings stripping out all the military stuff and removing the wing folding gear leaving the wings locked down (sorry didn't mention that one earlier). Anyways thought that would give me a margin (and an excuse) to increase the tankage a bit. There was always a trade off between payload and range on this one !

Thanks for looking............


Mog
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PS  please show the Sunderland sounds great !

Offline kitnut617

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2019, 09:29:24 PM »
Hey Mog --- wasn't being negative 'cause I like the idea. I just have this thing about plausibility when I do projects like this, my bad ----

Anyway, as you say, quite a bit of the empty weight would be taken up by all the equipment that if taken out/removed, would definitely increase the load capacity. Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield   ;D

Here's a link to the Sunderland TP, I've not done too much to it for the last four years though ---  :-X
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1235.0

Offline Robomog

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2019, 12:20:28 AM »
HI Kitnut, no offense taken in any way whatsoever, I like feedback it keeps me on my toes and you obviously spent some thinking time on this, so thank you. ;)

 "Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Hey, I know real world has got in the way but you gotta finish that Sunderland, it's gonna look wicked in the catalina/canso colour scheme

Mog
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Offline kitnut617

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2019, 12:47:40 AM »
It's on the list for the 'Clear your Workbench' GB, this year, next year ---  :-[

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2019, 04:05:08 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D
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Offline Robomog

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2019, 06:30:43 AM »
Aaaaaah !  Too late, I've deleted the tail hook !   ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2019, 07:26:08 AM »
And the Theres  more..............

Curiously this model does not mention anything about nose weight in the instructions and the flaps are designed to be shown deployed only, which is unusual for a nose wheel aircraft, it was only when I read up on other people's  builds I discovered that  the prop is modelled in a feathered position and it  is  meant to be propped up on the extended radar dustbin to avoid tail sitting, fine idea but the whole thing would look  really strange and unrealistic.

So the nose weight is in, to compensate for the removal  of the radar dustbin and  I haven't found any pictures of the Gannet parked with the flaps deployed so I'm going to model them closed. I tend to show my model aircraft in a parked stance so the feathered prop is no problem.

Because the model is designed to have the flaps deployed there is no locating mechanism so I've glued some small slivers of plastic to support the flaps in the closed position, also I have filled in the slots on the flaps themselves.

by Robomog, on Flickr

by Robomog, on Flickr

There are slots on the trailing edges of the wings that may need to be filled in, I need to check some photos first

The new water tank is now glued in position and work has commenced on smoothing it into the fuselage, at the same time the plate for the lift raft and flare tubes has been installed and will be smoothed into the fuselage also

by Robomog, on Flickr


by Robomog, on Flickr

More when it happens...........

Mog
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Offline Robomog

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2019, 06:30:38 PM »
Hi all

Just a little aside, found this on utube

https://youtu.be/9mN_jsBxVt0

I remember it first time round, I'm sure they used the studio version of Shine on You Crazy Diamond then.

This is back in the day when the Royal Navy had Teeth, happy days, < sigh>

Anyways there are a couple of shots of the AEW Gannet that look absolutely majestic.........

Enjoy

Mog
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2019, 02:24:59 AM »
Nice video.

As an aside, there is a 1/48 kit of the Fairey Gannet AEW.3 available:

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2019, 05:41:05 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D


I remember an article IIRC from Popular Mechanics magazine about a proposed catapult and arresting system for Marine aircraft in Vietnam. The catapult never turned out but now every military runway has portable arrestor gear. Maybe an electric catapult system for modern use? It would take a honkin big generator!
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2019, 07:42:21 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D


I remember an article IIRC from Popular Mechanics magazine about a proposed catapult and arresting system for Marine aircraft in Vietnam. The catapult never turned out but now every military runway has portable arrestor year. Maybe an electric catapult system for modern use? It would take a honkin big generator!

I'm sorry but this brings up a vision of two big trucks and a massive bungee chord. The two trucks drive off and when the bungee is tight enough they let go of the aircraft.

A bit mad even for whif world........ ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mog
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2019, 09:23:00 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D


I remember an article IIRC from Popular Mechanics magazine about a proposed catapult and arresting system for Marine aircraft in Vietnam. The catapult never turned out but now every military runway has portable arrestor year. Maybe an electric catapult system for modern use? It would take a honkin big generator!

I'm sorry but this brings up a vision of two big trucks and a massive bungee chord. The two trucks drive off and when the bungee is tight enough they let go of the aircraft.

A bit mad even for whif world........ ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mog
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Poor manís catapult launch system! Or a giant trebuchet at the end of the runway!

Offline Robomog

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2019, 09:30:10 AM »
A trebuchet launched Gannet !  Hahahaha

Are you getting as loony as me or am I catching up with you ?  ;D ;D ;D

Mog
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2019, 11:09:29 AM »
It would make a very interesting diorama!