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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2019, 07:47:03 AM »
Museum pieces today!

Thanks Jeff. I like your explanation.


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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2019, 10:05:49 AM »
I didn't even buy my first computer until 4 years after these - a System 7 Apple Mackintosh Classic ..... I still have it! ;)

Similar to this (image IS a museum piece!):

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2019, 12:25:12 PM »
But does it still work?

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2019, 01:02:24 PM »
I should also add that the unit I was assigned to at the time when I was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC was able to acquire for the intelligence analysts (not my section) a quantity of Grid Compass laptop computers.  Being that these were to be used in a secure area (aka SCIF) and would contain classified data bases, the requirement was for each of these to have a perishable memory that was deleted when the machine powered off.  On powering up the machines, the operating system would have to be loaded via 3.5"/90mm floppy diskettes.  For what they were using the things for in the section that had them it was tedious and cumbersome.  I do remember seeing an example of a Grid Compass laptop on display at the Smithsonian in Washington D.C. at the Air and Space Museum.  It was part of the display for the Space Shuttle and it was not much different from the Grid units we had in my unit.  Images of this now "antique" can be seen via this link: Grid Laptop Computers.  I should also add that at the time these things were not cheap, running somewhere around $20K per unit not including the accessories.  Also they were Tempest emission secured so you were okay to use them without worry about being monitored.  My own section was less fortunate, being the imagery analysts, we were tasked with imagery related things and our first computer showed up in very large green plastic boxes that would have made the folks at Pelican Products jealous.  Opened at both top and bottom or front and back depending on orientation of the contents.  We had what on the outside would have been an Apple computer not sure which model but it was rather limited.  We also had some very clunky looking keyboards, a laser disk reader for the very old 11.0"/28cm laser disks that contained digital terrain elevation data.  Apparently the computer had been originally designed for use by the Army Engineers (combat engineers or civil engineers not sure which) and one of the programs included with this Army Apple allowed you to calculate how many pounds of explosive would be required to address obstacles such as reinforced concrete or structural steel.  Pretty neat and a lot of fun to use but at the end of the day it was still just an apple in a bunch of green boxes with serious limitations.  The one thing that we could actually do with this pig of a rig was create terrain elevation models that could then be printed out on a dot-matrix printer.  Very limited capability but it was better than nothing.  For the part of the world we were focused on, it was useful tool that could be used to create views of the terrain at eye level looking towards the target or from the target looking towards the observation point.  As primitive as that was, it pales in comparison to what we have now at our disposal. 
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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2019, 01:04:16 PM »
Now if there were a way to incorporate some decent wing pylons capable of carrying large fuel such as those found on the F-15 and F-22...
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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2019, 01:39:34 PM »
Now if there were a way to incorporate some decent wing pylons capable of carrying large fuel such as those found on the F-15 and F-22...
I'd reckon F-22 pylons and tanks would not be too inappropriate here, though I would suspect they would be used first and dropped before going into territory where maximum LO was required.  Alternative would perhaps be meeting up with a KB-2A (they only made 21 B-2A's, that doesn't mean other variants might not be out there in the "Black World").

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #81 on: May 11, 2019, 12:49:54 AM »
But does it still work?

Yes, only the mouse is a bit too dodgy for the set-up to be actually usable.
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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #82 on: May 11, 2019, 08:25:52 AM »
Now if there were a way to incorporate some decent wing pylons capable of carrying large fuel such as those found on the F-15 and F-22...
I'd reckon F-22 pylons and tanks would not be too inappropriate here, though I would suspect they would be used first and dropped before going into territory where maximum LO was required.  Alternative would perhaps be meeting up with a KB-2A (they only made 21 B-2A's, that doesn't mean other variants might not be out there in the "Black World").

B-2A with removable refueling rig in the bomb bay? Hmmmm......
Iíll look into the pylon and tank idea. Thanks!

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #83 on: May 11, 2019, 10:22:21 AM »
Actually, a B-2A with the additional long-range tank in the starboard "cargo bay" (heh, that's how they are labeled on the drawings), as is an option, and either an LO drogue system in the port "cargo bay" or a stealthy retractable boom that stows in the port cargo bay; I rather favor the former approach as I think it would be technically easier, but I could see how to work either of them.

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2019, 03:18:51 AM »
B-2A with removable refueling rig in the bomb bay? Hmmmm......
Iíll look into the pylon and tank idea. Thanks!

I wonder...does anyone do a version of the below trialled set up as a model conversion:
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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2019, 03:27:01 AM »
A KF-23????
Now that would really be a stretch version!

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2019, 12:07:04 PM »
B-2A with removable refueling rig in the bomb bay? Hmmmm......
Iíll look into the pylon and tank idea. Thanks!

I wonder...does anyone do a version of the below trialled set up as a model conversion:
Wasn't there something similar proposed for the TSR.2?  ISTR that someone did such a conversion set for it.

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Re: F-23A photo recon version
« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2019, 11:38:29 AM »
I attached the tail fins. Can't call them vertical or horizontal stabilizers! I had to trim them to fit as the mating surfaces did not match at all. The fuselage surface had a concave shape while the fin was flat. I think I got the angle correct. I have to fix the landing gear as the shape may be correct (at least it looks good) it will never support the weight of the model. Some reinforcing with straight pins will be required. Oh well, there is always some problem to overcome.
I tested some dark grey gloss paint from the hardware store on the one fin and after a couple weeks drying time it showed fingerprints as soon as I handled it. I hope different paint over it doesn't cause problems.