Author Topic: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86  (Read 21911 times)

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2014, 02:50:12 AM »
I've also found this photo of what might be the XFJ-1, it's lacking the wing root leading edge extensions and the modified flaps the production FJ-1 got. On my Twin Fury/P-86B (by the way, there was a real F-86B proposal but wasn't built) I've deleted these extensions but kept the modified flaps and I've also moved the wing forward -- my thinking here is that the radar equipment stowed in the pod, moves the cg forward.  Just my reasoning to make some space between the wing and the tail-planes  ;)

The wing without the extensions and modified flaps match the F-51H wing almost exactly, which happens to be a bit smaller than the F-82 wing. But by leaving the modified flaps on, the length of the chord at the wing root is almost the same as the F-82 center section chord.
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2014, 02:56:16 AM »
What a killer idea!

I'd go with max guns, but sometimes I go a little over-board.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2014, 10:05:43 AM »
There's an early jets website out there that has a staight-wing mockup picture from roughly the aft 3/4's view. 

In google images, there's a pic which is what appears in the Walk Around book which must be the same as what you've seen (but I couldn't find that web site you were in)but see below, is this what you've found

The other photo I seem to remember wasn't of the XP-86 per say, it was of some other North American aircraft (possibly a P-51 of some mark) and the caption said something like 'notice the XP-86 behind'.  From what I remember of the photo, the XP-86 was assembled too.

What's interesting about the photo below is that the wing is 'all-in-one', like a P-51s.  However, I've found photos of a FJ-1 which was disassembled and it reveals that the wing was built as two separate wings and bolted to the sides of the fuselage (British style)
Yep, that's the photo I was referring to.  Useful for doing a XP-86(without letter) as I intend (actually, I've got the bits and pieces for a couple of them).

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2014, 10:17:33 PM »
Well, I've cobbled together what I would call an XP-86, that takes care of a number of spare parts from the second FJ-1 kit

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2014, 10:18:30 PM »
That most certainly looks the part.  I hope mine turn out as well.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2014, 10:22:27 PM »
I took delivery of some very nicely vacuformed 1/72 FJ-1 canopies yesterday, from Tasman through Jay's Models.  These are suitable for the Pegasus, Merlin and Rareplane kits

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2014, 10:28:05 PM »
That most certainly looks the part.  I hope mine turn out as well.

Thanks Evan, I'll file off the leading edge extensions and straighten out the trailing edge of the wing before I really go to town on it.  I'm wondering about the main gear bays though, on the FJ-1 the bays are completely in the wing, whereas on a F-86 the area where the wheel retracts into is in the fuselage. I was reading that the proposed F-86B was to get bigger main wheels and brakes so the fuselage would have been widened 7", so my thinking for the XP-86 is the wheel bays would be like an F-86.  So I'll carefully cut the wheel bays out of the lower wing half and move them inwards, replacing the F-86 wheel bays in the kits fuselage.

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2014, 10:50:42 PM »
Well, I've cobbled together what I would call an XP-86, that takes care of a number of spare parts from the second FJ-1 kit

That looks absolutely cracker-jack! I can't help imagining it in RCN maple-leafs...

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 --
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2014, 11:49:16 PM »
Well, I've cobbled together what I would call an XP-86, that takes care of a number of spare parts from the second FJ-1 kit

That looks absolutely cracker-jack! I can't help imagining it in RCN maple-leafs...

Brian da Basher

 :) BdB

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2014, 07:29:38 AM »
I've been studying this XP-86 version and it began to bug me as looking like something else I've seen.  Then it came to me, if you ignore where the air intake is and the size of the cockpit, it's got a bit of a BAC Strikemaster look to it.  Doing some googling and I find the two aircraft are very similar in size and shape, which gives me a couple of other ideas, one would be the XP-86 which I'm saying was exchanged with the RAF (RAE), got used as a test mule for the Jet Provost/Strikemaster equipment, or I'll go with a single seat Strikemaster --- using an F-86 forward fuselage but with a solid nose.  I've got a Jet Provost in the stash, just need to do some measuring to see if it's feasible ---

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2015, 09:55:08 AM »
F2J-1. Found this via 72nd Scale Aircraft. Kit by Paul Boyer:



1/48 Version here. Kit by Don Fogal.



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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2015, 10:15:07 AM »
Oh my!!!!!  8)
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2015, 10:38:29 AM »
Everything may be interesting but... is the Twin-Sabre project... "cancelled"? ??? :icon_sueno:
(the title says "plus an XP-86", but it seems no news come about the twin, like if her parts are gone to build something else, alas...)
I would cry a little, but accept it of course, as the creator is allmighty with the life-and-death right on his own models... ;)

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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2015, 01:50:32 PM »
That IS to die for :P :-* A beautiful pair of Whiffs!!!  8) 8) An F-8 would've eaten it alive though :)) :))
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Re: North American P-86B, or it could be a F2J-1 -- plus an XP-86
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2015, 04:13:18 PM »
Sweet!
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