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Offline elmayerle

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Odd Thought
« on: March 26, 2014, 12:04:48 PM »
What if, around 1930 or so, Curtiss had taken the bore, stroke, and cylinder spacing of the V1570 Conqueror and applied more modern engine technology (including gearboxes, variable-pitch propellers, and superchargers) and materials?  They should have been able to get 1000 hp. easy and likely more, certainly enough to be reasonably competitive with the V1650 Merlin and Allison's V1710.  I could see this making for some interesting aircraft variants.

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 02:11:14 PM »
Two big obstacles:
1) Wright was committed to radials using the Lawrence designs
2) Lack of customers because of the world economic situation

The second reason was why Packard reluctantly abandoned aircraft engine design
and manufacture. They had the designs and know-how but the US military pie was
already divvied, other countries put money into domestic manufacturers and there
was no commercial market, as Curtiss also found when they tried to sell the V-1570
to commercial operators.

"Evil our grandsires were, our fathers worse;
And we, till now unmatched in ill,
Must leave successors more corrupted still."
Horace, 65BC - 8BC. Marsh translation.

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 12:06:17 PM »
... or what-if the displaced liquid-cooled V-dudes from Curtiss got together with the Packard crew?

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 12:46:56 PM »
A private venture done in slow time between other projects and then offered up to the French when they came knocking looking to buy war materiel.  Initial orders get production going for use in French P-36, P-38, P-39 and P-40.  Turns out to have superior high altitude performance to the Allison so starts getting USAAF orders as well.

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 12:44:48 PM »
What if Curtiss had sold the license rights to their engines to say, the Italians or the French?  Italian fighters with an excellent inline engine without reliance on the Germans?   French fighters with more powerful inlines than the Hispano-Suisa series?

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 03:15:35 PM »
What if Curtiss had sold the license rights to their engines to say, the Italians or the French?  Italian fighters with an excellent inline engine without reliance on the Germans?   French fighters with more powerful inlines than the Hispano-Suisa series?

Wasn't the issue for the Italian political interference from Mussolini? He ordered that they concentrate on radials at the expense of inlines

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2014, 06:31:56 AM »
... Wright was committed to radials using the Lawrence designs ...


http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg62097#msg62097

Got around that by slapping Curtiss-Wright with an anti-trust charge  ;)
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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2014, 10:14:42 AM »
Wright was committed to radials using the Lawrence designs
Yeah, and that drove a number of their top people off to form Pratt & Whitney Aircraft Engines; people like Rennschler (sp), Willgoos, et al.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 12:00:22 PM by elmayerle »

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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 11:04:48 PM »
Also using the basic Lawrence design.  ;D

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And we, till now unmatched in ill,
Must leave successors more corrupted still."
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Re: Odd Thought
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2014, 12:00:57 PM »
And taking them further than Wright did.