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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2012, 02:47:19 AM »
Random idea:  Tirpitz gets stripped down and turned into an early arsenal ship armed en masse with A-4/V-2 ballistic missiles and/or Fi-103/V-1 missiles.

Alternatively the same concept but using a fictitious third Bismarck class hull...or even a converted Graf Zeppelin.
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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2012, 12:42:57 PM »
Hmmm...tempted to buy one of these:



As the starting point for a modern Stealthy Russian Battle Cruiser.


Starting point ordered...in larger scale too!!!


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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2012, 01:37:20 PM »
As the starting point for a modern Stealthy Russian Battle Cruiser.

Starting point ordered...in larger scale too!!!


What is it with the larger scale? Instead of building in the One True ScaleTM (1/72), you build 1/48. Instead of the proper 1/700, it has to be 1/350!  :icon_ninja:

Some inspiration...

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Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov-class frigate



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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2012, 03:15:09 PM »

What is it with the larger scale? Instead of building in the One True ScaleTM (1/72), you build 1/48. Instead of the proper 1/700, it has to be 1/350!  :icon_ninja:


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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2012, 05:04:31 PM »
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Not having naval knowledge, per se, one wonders if a monitor type ship would be a capable design for open water?  I should think that its lower profile would be advantagous compared to a 'normal' ship from a concealment perspective providing one could waterproof the upper structure to prevent swamping.  In reality, it'd be almost like a surfaced submarine, but subs are infamous for low profiles compared to surface ships.



Well I believe there were some B Class Submarines that were converted to surface patrol boats

There was a class of Submarine Monitors built in WW1

so if you combine  the 2 ideas you could convert your M class to low profile seagoing monitors

Possibly as some kind of commerce raider i guess of just givent that they'd probably be faster than your conventional monitors to get coastal bomabardment capabilities off foreign shores quicker.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2012, 03:08:31 AM »
What about some underwater & flying Yamato  ? :)



"Super Atragon" anime also features very nice airplane designs :)

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2012, 04:19:39 AM »
err...hot linking doesn't always work
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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2012, 05:12:45 AM »
err...hot linking doesn't always work

Sorry , now linking corrected.
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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2012, 06:32:27 AM »
Oh yeah!
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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2014, 02:27:40 AM »
Don't ask about the source...


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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2014, 02:51:29 AM »
Yeah, those who think me a whackjob would HATE to read that guy. LOL :p

Particularly with no way to recover those three Hornets in the fantail hangars... remember, even the fanatical Hitlerjugend said "um, We Don't Think So" to the idea of one-way-trips.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2014, 03:17:29 AM »
1200 feet 16 x 20" guns







im considering deleting the funnels and making it a 60s nuke powered monster

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2014, 03:28:37 AM »
Don't ask about the source...





If I were captain of such a ship (not every going to happen, but...) The first thing I would say is get those _________ tanks off my ship!!!

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2014, 08:55:43 AM »
Don't ask about the source...





Yes saw that on the original site after a google picture search, mmm.... best not go there I required mind bleach afterwards and I don't like doing that to often.  The first mention of Gavin should have been enough warning to me to stop reading!
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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2014, 12:31:09 AM »
I've read some of the "Gavin" fanatics stuff. That term is a good warning sign.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2014, 01:50:37 AM »
Yeah, dude makes Michael Savage at his foaming-at-the-mouth worst seem rational... O.O

There a few nuggets of good ideas in the mix, but they're like wading through the sewers to find a diamond ring.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2014, 05:56:08 AM »
There has to be a few points of truth to make the rest of it even plausible to the ear of some folks. Works on nearly every subject too. Except whiffery, we know there is no truth there, just fun!

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2014, 06:00:56 AM »
Not quite... I've tried to keep my WHIFs as "this could ACTUALLY be built given parts and budget", other than fast-forwarding a little on Artificial Intelligence (ok, a LOT on Human Level AI) and Adaptive Camouflage.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as big of a fan of heavy Naval Gunfire Support as anybody, but that joker gives Battleship Fanboys a VERY Bad Name.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2014, 06:38:44 AM »
Don't ask about the source...




*cringe* that aft turret looks rather less than fully functional with two flight decks; I'd argue for replacing it with a suitably sized VLS capability.  As 'tis, it's an example of gratuitous overkill and not well thought out as a large arc of fire for the rear turret is blocked and I'd hate to think of what the shock impacts from the rear turret firing would do to the aircraft in or on that hanger.  Interesting concept, barring the turret, reminds me of some of the FACES II concepts, but poor development.

What could get very interesting is a FACES II conversion for a Montana-class or, for the RN, an equivalent conversion for HMS Vanguard if she'd been retained in storage instead of being scrapped in 1960.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2014, 10:27:50 AM »
The whole flight deck and hanger arrangement looks as if it has just been dropped onto the unmodified BB model and could just as simply be lifted off again. 

As far as BB modernisations go I like the ideas people were presenting on my KGV thread with Mk13s replacing secondary armament rather than the big guns improving the ships defences (and offensive) capability and retaining the reason to keep the BBs at all the big guns.  The UK designs with their mid ships hangers and secondary armament positions / magazines would have been great for various air defence, anti-ship, anti-submarine and surface attack missiles.  If fewer big guns were needed then supress the after turrets for more missiles of simply for a very large hanger and flight deck for lots of Helos, ASW, attack, assault, troop accommodation etc.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2014, 10:33:01 AM »
Norman Polmar's book on US Battleship design included a profile drawing of a proposed "assault ship" conversion of the Iowa-class with the aft turret and catapult replaced by a hangar deck, flight deck, et al. for helicopter assault.  I'm thinking two of those and two FACES II conversions would make a formidable task force for landing over hostile beaches.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2014, 12:54:24 AM »
Courageous and Glorious, due to their dubious combat power, are classed as Heavy Cruisers under the Washington Treaty and transfered to the RAN in 1922.  The ships are renamed Australia and Canberra and serve in WWII following complete Renown style reconstructions in the late 30s.

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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2016, 05:51:09 AM »
Something different:  The 40mm anti-aircraft gun emplacements of the USS New Jersey had the guns removed, were sealed, and became swimming pools for the ship’s reactivation during the Vietnam War. These are the only known swimming pools installed on an active US Navy ship. The pools were removed when the Iowa-class battleship was again activated in the 1980’s.





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Re: Battleship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2016, 05:58:02 AM »
lol

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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2016, 08:11:10 PM »
Just imagine if a fire mission came in and someone was asleep floating in the pool.