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Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine - Finished
« on: May 05, 2013, 10:34:06 AM »
In early 1943 the use of the gas turbine was being investigated for use in AFV's. By 1944 the German Engineers had successfully put a Gas Turbine Engine into a Panther, the later GT102 was lighter and smaller than the traditional Maybach Engine. Along with the new engine, a revised transmission was built to give low torque as the Gas Turbine is not really that effecient at the low end. In the Real World these developments did not proceed due to deteriorating War position by 1945.

However here... we can go for it ;)
(Commence blatant stealing from Red Gambit by Colin Gee  ;D)
In mid 1945 when the Soviets attacked through Germany at a war weary Allied the initial shock to the allies was profound. As the conflict progressed German Troop, ex POW's were released to form as a Republican Army of Germany. Plus the war industries were ramped back up.
One of the means of countering the Soviet superiority in Armour was to get the latest vehicles out against them. The plans for the Gas Turbine Panthers were dusted of and a small batch was produced to both evaluate the design in Combat Conditions, plus aid in further development of the Technology.

So for the Build I plucked a Dragon Panther F from the Stash.. pretty ordinary kit.. but perfect for this build 8)
Stage one of the Gas Turbine Panther basic contruction


Let the hackage commence.
New rear deck and Jet outlet, venting upward in an armoured outlet.


More to follow...
« Last Edit: July 09, 2013, 07:07:29 PM by buzzbomb »

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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 11:00:35 AM »
 :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 02:02:26 PM »
Is this a scratch build conversion or a kit?
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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 02:41:35 PM »
That is a great start! Hope the removed engine deck came off cleanly, Always a helpful piece for future ideas  :)
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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 02:50:35 PM »
I'm watching! :D

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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 04:37:29 PM »
Is this a scratch build conversion or a kit?

Scratchbuild.. just plastic card and tube so far with a little bit of mesh. Not a real lot of information out there.. so basically making it up as I go along.. which here.. is quite, quite legal  ;)


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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2013, 02:28:31 AM »
This book:



has some details, though not a real lot.
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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2013, 03:37:16 AM »
 Nifty concept - I may have to borrow a page from your book for the FlakPanzer Smilidon...

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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2013, 02:03:28 PM »
Is that air-inlet grill big enough to feed a turbine ?  How about some supplementary side-scoops ?

          Surely the exhaust pipe should face the rear ala Batmobile ! ;)

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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 07:04:45 AM »
Is that air-inlet grill big enough to feed a turbine ?  How about some supplementary side-scoops ?

          Surely the exhaust pipe should face the rear ala Batmobile ! ;)

Who knows..  ;D

I figure it this way and looking at it practically from my perspective. The intake actually has a larger area than a Jumo intake.. the front of the ME-262 engine is not that big.
Side intakes would compromise the armour protection.. and we are protecting a fairly fragile piece of kit by that armour.. my latest thought is to have some add-on armour for just that purpose around the engine. Likewise a rear port, even in the reports that are available online, was identified as a compromise to the armour protection, particularly from shell splinters. So I decided to compromise on that and at least angle up and armour it up a bit, like the Germans did with tiger and panther traditional exhausts.

Will be a delay in proceedings on this for a few weeks.. off on an OS Trip

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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 12:05:02 PM »
I'd suggested you do something along the lines of the Porsche Tiger's intakes or your Panther.
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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2013, 08:35:47 AM »
This will be a sweet looking build.
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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 08:41:57 PM »
Right.. back in the game. Got a bit done this evening.
Soooo back to the story.
The impact of hollow charge weapons was by '46 well known.
The Russians during the '46 attack on the west had plenty of captured German Panzerfausts and Panzerschrecks.
So the German engineers uparmoured the Turbine Panther with Spaced armour on the hull sides and turret, plus "bazooka" plates over the suspension. They also added an extra slab of frontal armour as the T-44 with it's 100mm gun was beginning to appear plus the JS-2 and JS-3 tanks were an increasing threat.






Still playing with the turret armour templates at the moment using old business cards.
The hull armour will have integrated doors that drop down to get at the tools (thas the open business ;))
Plus not sure if I like the Bazooka plates.. they sort of defeat some of the Panthers coolness, but practically they would probably be fitted.

More to come, like IR gear and working out some sort of close in weapon now I have removed the hull MG. ;)



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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2013, 08:19:33 AM »
 I think you need to add the front mg back. The Germans learned their lesson with the Elephant. I'd add a remote controled mg to the turret if possible plus the close-in defense weapon that used the curved barrel MP44. Always one of my favorites !!!!   Great job so far on this. I sort of agree with you on the side skirts but you don't have the road wheels on yet which would change the way it looks. Also, they might be a bit too long but without the wheels, I can't be sure.   I like the way your talking this a lot.
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Re: Beyond '46, Panther F with Gas Turbine
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2013, 08:29:15 AM »
Speaking of MGs, what about a co-ax mount with the main gun?  Not sure if the Germans were big on that though?  I agree with Ennis, she needs a hull MG and at least one on the turret; exposed or enclosed both with their respective drawbacks.  The curved barrel MP-44, albeit neat, was just plain lazy IMO.  How hard was it to add a ring mount MG on top?  If you're dealing with infantry swarming your tank then plenty of things have already gone horribly wrong.  What about some firing slits in the sides for the crew?  I think a hull, co-ax, and a ring mount MG on top would be the best choice.  Plenty of tanks have that setup for a reason.  That's just my logical side talking though and since this is a whiff do whatever you want  ;)

I really like the idea of a gas turbine German tank.  Their tanks were always superbly engineered (for the most part) and it suits them very well.  I like the added armor but will echo what Ennis said about the skirts.  Add the road wheels and see if they need some trimming.

So....thought about the paint job yet?
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