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Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« on: June 11, 2012, 04:27:46 AM »
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 09:52:41 AM »
Think I'm right in saying that, with extra Sidewinder pylons, Zeus RHAWR aerials and Matra rocket pods, that's an RAF Harrier, not a USMC one...... ;D
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 11:15:32 AM »
Think I'm right in saying that, with extra Sidewinder pylons, Zeus RHAWR aerials and Matra rocket pods, that's an RAF Harrier, not a USMC one...... ;D
Indeed, unless the USMC wishes to make operational use of their recent acquisitions.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 02:44:31 AM »
Hmmm...that could be doable
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 02:58:50 AM »
Jose, that delta harrier looks great!
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 12:40:21 PM »


Looks like an interesting variation on McDD's proposed Harrier follow-ons (Model 293?).

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 12:46:51 PM »
Pegasus, the Heart of the Harrier makes reference to a studied stretch of the present Harrier II+ with lengths and rough locations.  I've got some material from St. Louis that shows the locations better.  I'm very tempted to do one.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 10:03:09 AM »
Replying to yourself is bad form, but I did locate that drawing of a stretched AV-8B+.  There's another image, front on, that intriques, too.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 05:32:44 PM »
Interesting
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 09:02:28 PM »
Replying to yourself is bad form, but I did locate that drawing of a stretched AV-8B+.  There's another image, front on, that intriques, too.

I added in a plug like that for my Sea Harrier F.3/F.13 project, the nose for it comes off a F-4E.  The idea is that the intercept system needed a dedicated operator so it had to be a two seater.  The plug was to offset the systems extra weight or something along those lines.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2012, 04:12:34 AM »
Harrier T.10 conversion built by Frank Mitchell using the 1:32nd scale Trumpeter Harrier kit

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2012, 11:38:35 AM »
Well, there's the two-seat, radar-equipped Harrier II demonstrator I put together a decade ago for the Harrier SIG.  I really need to revisit and upgrade that some time; I'd love to do that in 1/48 or 1/72 (got the pieces to do both if I can find them).  Methinks that, combined with the extra hardpoints of the RAF version and the wingtip Sidewinders St. Louis trialed could make for an interesting basis for a very capable stretch version.

Too, I've got a copy of the small brochure for a FAA version of the AV-8B+; thinking of building it as a Harrier FGA.11 or FGR.11.  I'm thinking that 804 Sqdn would be a user of these and would have one marked up for display and Tiger Meets.
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2012, 11:53:15 AM »
Stepping back to the First Generation Harriers, I was thinking of a Harrier GR.3B (Harrier Gr.3/3A with LIDS ala' AV-8C and LRMTS replaced by the ARBS of the second generation Harrier and the A-4M) in RAuxAF markings.  Similarly, a Sea Harrier FRS.1A with similar mods to the airframe (perhaps with some suitable radar upgrades that don't affect radome contour) to back up the Sea Harrier FA.2.  If you wanted to take things a bit farther, fit both with the zero-scarf forward nozzles of the second generation Harriers.

One other thought, use the original radar nose configuration trialed for the Maritime Harrier proposal and apply it to the first-generation trainer to make a more suitable Sea Harrier trainer inbetween the Hunter T.8M and the Sea Harrier FRS.1 itself.  I could see that version also getting the LIDS et al.).

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 04:41:47 PM »
That's a nice build.
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 10:06:40 AM »
AV-8B subtype in Swedish splinter.   
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 10:22:40 AM »
I hear you.  Have a GR.5 planned as a AJ.38
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2013, 09:40:05 AM »
Gr.7/9 with a Blue Vixen radar, AIM-120's, and in service with Sweden in Splinter cammo.   

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2013, 11:36:45 AM »
Gr.7/9 with a Blue Vixen radar, AIM-120's, and in service with Sweden in Splinter cammo.   
Fit the basic nose of the AV-8B+ for at least some similarity with the proposed version of the AV-8B+ to the FAA.  It had the B+'s AN/APG-65 but I could see it fitted with a modified Blue Vixen, too, and carrying AIM-132's in place of Sidewinders.  Perhaps later adding a capability for Meteor BVRAAMs.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2013, 12:19:31 PM »
1:48 sources for the missiles?
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2013, 12:21:39 PM »
1:48 sources for the missiles?

Which ones?
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2013, 12:25:07 PM »
 :-\ :-[

Sorry....AIM-132 and Meteors.
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2013, 12:31:23 PM »
If memory serves me correctly, there's a 1/48 Eurofighter kit out there that has a plethora of weapons with it, including both of these.  One of our co-conspirators here passed their 1/48 SOL resin Meteors on to me after getting that kit.  If it also has IRIS-T missiles, I could see a Norwegian radar-equipped Harrier with those and either AIM-120's or Meteors.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2013, 12:31:45 PM »
:-\ :-[

Sorry....AIM-132 and Meteors.

A 1/48 Revell GermanyTyphoon Single Seater will supply both (2 AIM-132s and4 Meteors I believe).  You can also buy each individually I believe (e.g. ozmods for the AIM-132s)
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2013, 12:36:53 PM »
:-\ :-[

Sorry....AIM-132 and Meteors.

A 1/48 Revell GermanyTyphoon Single Seater will supply both (2 AIM-132s and4 Meteors I believe).  You can also buy each individually I believe (e.g. ozmods for the AIM-132s)
I've got AIM-132s from Oz-Mods in other scales, so those are easily available.  Use 'em along with my resin Meteors on a Swedish Harrier, F-20, or severely upgraded Draken.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2013, 12:40:03 PM »
Did the AN/APG-65 radar have any anti-shipping capability?
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