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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => : The Big Gimper February 20, 2019, 07:30:31 PM

: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: The Big Gimper February 20, 2019, 07:30:31 PM
Lockheed just rebranded the F-16V Block 70 for India as the F-21. Not to be confused with the U.S. Navyís small IAI Kfir fleet also designated F-21. The Ď21í is becoming popular, ie B-21. I also worry the USAF will next designate T-X as T-21, instead of sequentially correct T-54.

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Lockheed Martin Offers India Enhanced F-16 Block 70 Multirole Combat Aircraft Dubbed "F-21" https://wp.me/p2TYIs-gUz
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: Old Wombat February 20, 2019, 08:37:40 PM
Would that be anything like;

M1 bayonet (as fitted to the M1 Garand)
M1 carbine
M1 chemical mine
M1 Combat Car (an early tank)
M1 Armored Car
M1 Garand
M1 helmet
M1 mortar
M1 rocket launcher (a bazooka variant)
M1 Thompson submachine gun
Mk 1 Underwater Defense Gun (an underwater pistol)
M1 Thompson carbine
57 mm Gun M1 (US designation for the British Ordnance QF 6-pounder)
90mm M1 Gun (one of a family of dual purpose guns)
120 mm M1 gun (an anti-aircraft gun)
240 mm howitzer M1
Benelli M1 semi-automatic shotgun
M1 flamethrower (WWII-era flamethrower)
8-in Howitzer M1 also known as the M115 Howitzer)
M1 Abrams

in any way shape or form? ???


Sometimes it amazes me that the US Army's logistics chain wasn't totally FUBAR! :-\
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: GTX_Admin February 21, 2019, 03:45:27 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/27EhcDHnlkw1O/giphy.gif)

Might have to have a go at the Lockheed folks next week since I will be with them.
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: jcf February 22, 2019, 09:06:12 AM
Yawn, it doesn't mean anything unless officially granted by the DoD.

"21" is no doubt popular because of its 21st Century connotations,
so if you're going to market a 20th century airframe design, F-16,
equipped with 21st century tech, voila, F-21.
 ;D

Ditto B-21, the first 21st Century bomber. Personally speaking, I
think they just forgot the period: B-2.1.
 ;D
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: elmayerle February 22, 2019, 10:52:34 AM
Ditto B-21, the first 21st Century bomber. Personally speaking, I
think they just forgot the period: B-2.1.
My contention, too.  It certainly bears a resemblance to certain iterations of the original B-2 design.
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: jcf February 23, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
Would that be anything like;

M1 bayonet (as fitted to the M1 Garand)
M1 carbine
M1 chemical mine
M1 Combat Car (an early tank)
M1 Armored Car
M1 Garand
M1 helmet
M1 mortar
M1 rocket launcher (a bazooka variant)
M1 Thompson submachine gun
Mk 1 Underwater Defense Gun (an underwater pistol)
M1 Thompson carbine
57 mm Gun M1 (US designation for the British Ordnance QF 6-pounder)
90mm M1 Gun (one of a family of dual purpose guns)
120 mm M1 gun (an anti-aircraft gun)
240 mm howitzer M1
Benelli M1 semi-automatic shotgun
M1 flamethrower (WWII-era flamethrower)
8-in Howitzer M1 also known as the M115 Howitzer)
M1 Abrams

in any way shape or form? ???


Sometimes it amazes me that the US Army's logistics chain wasn't totally FUBAR! :-\

Why would it be fubar?
The Ordnance Department designation system makes it clear what each
item is, and it does not start with the M_ number, e.g. the M1 Garand:
Rifle, Caliber .30, M1.

The same goes for your other examples, also the Standard Nomenclature
List alpha-numeric system was used in the Supply Catalogs for logistical
purposes, with equipment types broken out into groups and each assigned
a number that started with the group letter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Army_weapons_by_supply_catalog_designation
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: Alvis 3.1 February 25, 2019, 03:03:57 AM
A customer at the hobby shop was confused by an after market aluminum barrel for a Sherman tank:
"So this is for an Abrams tank, right?"
"No, it's for a Sherman, says so on the box."
"But it says "75mm M-1". So it's for an Abrams."
"No, that's the model designation of that particular 75mm gun, it's the first model."
"So the Abrams used a 75 mm gun?"
"No. It's for a WW 2 Sherman. Says right *there*" Points to box.
"They didn't use Abrams in WW2."
*Sigh*
"Let's start again. What are you building?"
"An Abrams tank."
"Ok, then this isn't the right gun for it."
"But it says..."
"NO. M-1 means model number..."
"I don't know what the number of my model kit is..."
"NO. The REAL thing model number. M-1 can be a rifle, or a canteen, or a vehicle."
"Like an Abrams, so this is the gun for it then?"
*Al Crosses "M-1" off the box with a sharpie*
"Not now. Use the gun in the kit, it's more accurate anyhow."

Another variation of the Monty Python "Book Shop" sketch.
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: KiwiZac February 25, 2019, 07:25:19 AM
I saw tweets and posts about the F-21 and was very confused.

Maybe the winner of Future Vertical Lift will be the H-21?  ;D
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: elmayerle February 25, 2019, 11:34:44 AM
 >:DDon't give them ideas!!
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: kerick February 25, 2019, 12:48:41 PM
I saw tweets and posts about the F-21 and was very confused.

Maybe the winner of Future Vertical Lift will be the H-21?  ;D

H-21 has already been used, wait, letís not start that again.....
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: elmayerle February 26, 2019, 12:03:59 AM
Perhaps they will really confuse matters and designate the Bell V-280 as the V-21. ::)
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: GTX_Admin February 26, 2019, 01:49:58 AM
Don't make me come over there and slap you 21 times! C:-)
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: KiwiZac February 26, 2019, 12:38:47 PM
Is that an S-21?  ;D
: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: GTX_Admin February 27, 2019, 02:51:50 AM
Is that an S-21?  ;D

Thatís it.

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: Re: Lockheed Martin F-21 (ex-F-16V Block 70)
: kerick February 27, 2019, 03:39:16 AM
Perhaps they will really confuse matters and designate the Bell V-280 as the V-21. ::)

So the V-280 came before the V-22?  ;)