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Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Sea => : kpnuts September 03, 2018, 01:20:18 PM

: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 03, 2018, 01:20:18 PM
Hi all I got this last Xmas and although I don't get much modelling time these days I wanted to start it but as always with a difference I want to depict her during the battle as she's sinking and at the bottom of the sea, all at the same time.

I realise she didn't break up and apart from 35 meters of the stern is still in one piece on the bottom.

She landed practically on top of an undersea volcano which erupted and she slid down the side as the volcano erupted leaving her laying level on the seabed with her stern mostly covered.

My problem is do I play with the historical facts and cut her into 3 sections to depict what I want or is there a way of depicting the whole thing whist keeping her whole.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: Old Wombat September 03, 2018, 10:07:34 PM
I can't recall how she went down; even keel, bow down or stern down?

That'll have a big impact on what you can do.

Best option is if she went bow down, even on a relatively even keel, because that way you can model her with her stern & some of her superstructure out of the water (you should take latex casts first, for making resin copies) as she's going down & then have the sea floor section using the front 2/3rds with her stern "covered" with volcanic debris. The resin copied superstructure can then be fouled with a thin coating of marine growth & silt, etc.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 04, 2018, 12:31:13 AM
Never tried making resin parts.
She capsized and went down stern first turned upside down and lost a couple of turrets whilst upside down then righted herself when full of water and finally landed fairly level.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: Old Wombat September 04, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Never tried making resin parts.

Nor have I but it's on the "to-do" list. ;)

She capsized and went down stern first turned upside down and lost a couple of turrets whilst upside down then righted herself when full of water and finally landed fairly level.

That's a bugger! :icon_crap:

Although, now you mention it, I remember seeing a doco about it some years ago, with CGI graphics of the key moments of her voyage to the bottom of the sea.

Only solutions I can see (I'm sure there are other options) are:

1) buy another kit (Hah! I know exactly how expensive that option is!) or
2) try making a couple of 2-part molds for the bow half - actually about 1/2 for the bow hull & about a 1/4 for the bow deck. (Which ain't a cheap option, either.)

 :-\
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 08, 2018, 03:07:45 AM
Hi all well I think I'm just going to go with the wreck dio ( will need a fair bit of scratch building but I'm up for it) 

As an interesting angle on size and shape look at this.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/33xx1g5.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/sg7nsh.jpg)

She was a tad bigger than the KGV but almost identical in shape.

Anyway made a start on painting her

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2rm03dd.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/4fzkmr.jpg)

Not going to go overboard with the painting as most of it won't be seen.

I must say I'm going to really enjoy this as I love doing rusty things (for those who don't know me i love doing cars and motorcycles, which I usually do with a fair bit of ware and tear)

As per this example.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2dqmueu.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 09, 2018, 02:56:46 AM
Hi all well got the hull painted, as I said I'm not too worried about the accuracy of the painting as most of it won't be seen when it's on the sea bed and yes I know the stern painting is a bit off but since that will be sheared off in the dio it won't be a problem, also another size comparison against the Titanic (which incidentally seems to be exactly the same length of the KGV although she was much higher makes me wonder were battleships given a low profile to make them harder to be seen.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/1433vva.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2ui7pz9.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/a9wsab.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 09, 2018, 11:52:42 PM
Hi all before risking the actual ship to my first attempts at an underwater dio I tried an experiment does this look convincing took me ages (well 15 mins) I'm quite happy with it.

I'm trying to get it to look like this

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bismarck+Wreck+images&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq66XgqK7dAhUqBsAKHYSJA_UQ_AUIESgB&biw=768&bih=1024#imgdii=AsOOKmDJJz7KHM:&imgrc=jjP8_UgTvFSHiM: (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bismarck+Wreck+images&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq66XgqK7dAhUqBsAKHYSJA_UQ_AUIESgB&biw=768&bih=1024#imgdii=AsOOKmDJJz7KHM:&imgrc=jjP8_UgTvFSHiM:)


(http://i66.tinypic.com/33auw7t.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/30tqk55.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/wv493m.jpg)

I photographed the process encase anyone is interested.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: Old Wombat September 10, 2018, 08:54:47 AM
Looks good! :smiley:

Just remember not to go overboard with it, though!

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/08/27/exploring-the-wreck-of-the-bismarck-and-it-is-in-remarkable-condition/ (https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/08/27/exploring-the-wreck-of-the-bismarck-and-it-is-in-remarkable-condition/)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 12, 2018, 03:21:18 AM
 Hi all drilled out a couple of the big turrets bases and added the traversing gear to the inside of one of them (still got to deepen the shaft and add some internal detail)I'm only planing on making the base a little larger than the model, should I still add the missing turrets and other superstructure that came off even though they were found a long way from the wreck.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/xnhpnq.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cy5csn.jpg)

Encase anyone thinks I've stopped working on the KGV I've not it's just the part I'm working on now has 4 pompoms and the PE takes ages.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: Old Wombat September 12, 2018, 06:23:32 PM
Depends on whether you're going for accuracy or atmosphere.

If the former: No.

If the latter: Probably, but not more than one turret & maybe a small amount of the superstructure/masts.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 16, 2018, 02:24:18 AM
Hi all I had to drill out the lower deck to allow for the details I have to add as the turrets won't be there.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/knqbk.jpg)

And gave the decking it's first coat of paint

(http://i67.tinypic.com/mkkchk.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2ewd5sl.jpg)

As you can see the traversing gear needs a bit of work 
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: kpnuts September 18, 2018, 03:02:48 AM
Hi all started on the base 

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2drz7nn.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/wuq6b5.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/wk5nd5.jpg)

I've tried to get the seabed undulations as like the photos as I can, still got some fine tweaking to do to it yet.

I've drawn some of the damage on the hull and decking I'm thinking of using a soldering iron to inflict it.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2ezsnti.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/k204dx.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/1267h4h.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts September 23, 2018, 01:57:53 AM
Hi all made a start on the damage, there is a load to add but I think it's an ok start.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/kaob2x.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2s9brme.jpg)

I'm afraid no more modelling for a week as off on hols.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: GTX_Admin September 23, 2018, 03:23:27 AM
A useful source of info including plenty of photos of the wreck:  https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/bismarck_menu.html (https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/bismarck_menu.html)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts October 08, 2018, 12:02:32 AM
Thanks mate.
Hi all started on rusting her, still loads of crud to add but I think it's a good starting point.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/jiet53.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2ql9084.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/6fm70k.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/14mewbq.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: elmayerle October 08, 2018, 02:12:32 AM
Looking really good, there.
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: GTX_Admin October 08, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
Looking good
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: kpnuts October 10, 2018, 02:49:06 AM
Hi all added some salt then a light grey wash to kill some of the colour, then knock some of the salt off add another thin sandy wash, knock some more salt off then a thin black wash. I feel it's getting there now.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/et5fs6.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2sb7vpy.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/34npsti.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/4gomk0.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2bvgqu.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/4pum54.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/fbgo7d.jpg)
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: Camthalion October 10, 2018, 07:26:02 AM
Looking good
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: kpnuts October 13, 2018, 03:22:48 AM
Hi all can you guess what this will be.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2yx2fig.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/14lhkch.jpg)

Started on a background

(http://i65.tinypic.com/v4awx3.jpg)

Put a blue whale in it which I've drawn to scale just to show how big the wreck is, i realise it don't look that great but I'm going to put dirty blue wash over the background so that should make it fade out a bit.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/zodg78.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/358yw4k.jpg)

I'm really enjoying this build. Looking forward to my birthday and my next project (not a ship)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts October 14, 2018, 02:21:23 AM
Hi all well I thought I could use this as the submersible used to light and film her, unfortunately it is totally out of scale so i will have to find something else, although I see that the effect will work quite well.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2iizwja.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/3341bpc.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/292y1kl.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/fwrjp4.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/b8n3py.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: GTX_Admin October 14, 2018, 01:23:49 PM
Great idea.  Maybe try getting one of these:  Takara TMW 1 / 144 world ships no. 3 Mir 1

(https://shop.r10s.jp/auc-treasurehunter/cabinet/imgrc0064626383.jpg)

It would s still in it of scale but maybe could be used in a "forced perspective" setting.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: finsrin October 14, 2018, 04:26:09 PM
Impressive and challenging build.  Sea bed, washes, damage, am watching posts.  :smiley:
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: Madhatter October 16, 2018, 07:35:19 PM
Awesome weathering and a cool project. Love the sub above her as a way to light it - very unique.
Will be watching this one
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: kpnuts October 19, 2018, 03:00:59 AM
Hi all another small update 

(http://i68.tinypic.com/femclx.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2qd64ur.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/a9xvsn.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2lkp3py.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts October 22, 2018, 02:54:59 AM
Hi all started weathering the deck.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2e2e6b8.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/9pxuvb.jpg)

Must say I'm a bit disappointed Tamiya don't supply and decals with this kit 
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: finsrin October 22, 2018, 09:50:32 AM
Turret ring teeth damage is excellent touch.  Bet was messy when main turrets departed ship.  Neato build.  :smiley:
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts October 23, 2018, 03:38:59 AM
Hi all added some damage to the superstructure 

(http://i63.tinypic.com/xdci90.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2qs1eus.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2h2ilvn.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/ajmfsy.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2urme84.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2wltx1e.jpg)

Trouble with doing a wreck is now I have to find out what the inside of that turret that's had the armour blown off looks like.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: GTX_Admin October 24, 2018, 02:42:48 AM
Well the turret is for one of the Bismark's 150 mm-SK-C/28 Weapons so that is what you are looking for.  The below photo of one of the surviving similar mounts from the Gneisenau currently at Stevnsfort in southern Denmark might be of assistance:

(http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_59-55_skc28_interior_pic.jpg)

This book might also be of use:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image.jpg1_zps6xyhnhfr.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts October 24, 2018, 04:18:28 AM
Thanks for the info
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: kpnuts October 27, 2018, 04:22:32 AM
Hi all a bit more weathering on this 

(http://i67.tinypic.com/902b02.jpg)

Anyone see the tiny little sea anemone 

(http://i68.tinypic.com/vryn1j.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/w9fz0o.jpg)
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: finsrin October 27, 2018, 05:12:45 AM
Looking bad and gunky in the best of ways.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts November 01, 2018, 03:48:52 AM
Hi all built some more of the superstructure and added some more damage to the decking 

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2hf2zx0.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/27zxok5.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2q0m7pe.jpg)

I know there is no debris from the wreck in the immediate area but I'm sorely tempted to use some artistic licence and add some.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts November 09, 2018, 04:34:43 AM
Hi all well I've got lighting that seems more right scale wise, got another one of these to convert and ordered 2 more slightly different (just for variety) to add.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/149zf55.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/dlq13s.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2vi42md.jpg)
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: Old Wombat November 09, 2018, 05:52:27 PM
Damn, that's some good work going on there, mate! 8)
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: elmayerle November 10, 2018, 12:55:56 PM
Damn, that's some good work going on there, mate! 8)
Seconded!!
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: kpnuts November 14, 2018, 04:45:47 AM
Hi all well I still thought the sub was a little over scale so I've cut it down as much as I can, I've also added 2 more and added a bit more superstructure.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/wvtstg.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/aud21h.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/14mrjtx.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/315h35h.jpg)

I was thinking of adding another light, do you think that would be too much.
: Re: Tmiya Bismark 1/350
: Old Wombat November 14, 2018, 07:27:36 AM
Yeah, too many light will spoil the deep sea impression.