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Title: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 14, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Got general idea couple years back.  Yeah but am doing 1/72 as finished builds which includes several scaleoramas.  Then Brian posts drawing of CHV-1 USS Admiral Perry within Republic F1R-4-7 topic.  Note how nicely B-17 fits on elevator.  Thatz it, am now hooked and blame it on Brian.  So here goes a big styrene reach.

Core kit is 1/350 Merit CV-67 USS John F Kennedy.  To be finished as 1/700 mega-carrier.  USN '46ish step beyond Midway class.  Tidy 2104 ft long if don't mess with length mods.
First step is attempt to cut hull to become a water line model.  IF SUCCESSFUL will be displayable (on blue plywood or ?) with other 1/700 waterline OOB and scaleorama ships.  If not successful, figure out a plan "B".

All ship accoutrements will be 1/700 or scale okay to be 1/700 for their application.  Island, deck edge walks, AA guns, aircraft, motor launches, etc... as 1/700.  Plenty 1/700 kits available as parts donors.
As of now - no gluing or plastic cut.  Top of green tape in picture is tentative line for hull cutting.

see attached ---
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kitnut617 on February 14, 2019, 08:58:09 PM
So I can get this into my head visually Bill, what is the length on the model's hull/deck ?
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: LemonJello on February 14, 2019, 09:23:13 PM
Sounds like an excellent idea.  Looking forward to many more progress reports and photos.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: tankmodeler on February 14, 2019, 11:51:21 PM
So I can get this into my head visually Bill, what is the length on the model's hull/deck ?
He mentions 2104' long in his post?

Over a third of a mile. 0.6 km.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: tankmodeler on February 14, 2019, 11:54:34 PM
Don't forget to scale the lengths of the cats and arrestor wires.

Looking to put 4 cats in the bow and 3-4 at the waist? Maybe 2 sets of parallel arrestor wires to permit two aircraft to be recovered at one time?

You'd have enough room to put in a significant VLS farm for self defence.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kitnut617 on February 15, 2019, 12:38:13 AM
So I can get this into my head visually Bill, what is the length on the model's hull/deck ?
He mentions 2104' long in his post?

Over a third of a mile. 0.6 km.

So that makes the kit 3' long ---- hmm!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 15, 2019, 02:49:50 AM
Largest model I have started at 36.8 inches long.
Been cleaning and reorganizing model room because really needed it anyway and did not have area to set down hull to start work.
Halfway through room clean up.   Enough to clear table for pictures.
Reason-excuse to leave catapults as is to be large enough to launch navy B-17, C-47, others....  Variety of 1/700 aircraft available from Pit Road Models.

To be conventional powered with WW2 AA guns.  USN '46 is concept.  Getting these from WW2 USN 1/700 kits.  Preparing for prolonged war in the Pacific.
Next up is test cutting hulls of "used" models to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 15, 2019, 07:18:23 AM
Best of luck with the cut!

Glad to see you're clearing out plenty of "dry dock" space.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 15, 2019, 02:30:52 PM
Test cutting on a Graf Spee with power & nonpower tools.
Manual cutting appears way to go.  Patience and perseverance is needed....
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 15, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Manually cut hull.  Fortunately is not brittlish plastic prone to cracking.
Electric rotary small fine tooth blade might have worked out.  Cuts can go bad quick that way, so stayed with manual. 
Find that sawing improves with practice.  Used two saws depending on cut position.  Went quicker than expected.
Per hull markings, instruction sheet, CV-67 photos is cut at waterline.

Took pictures next to Revell 1/720 Essex class waterline kit.  So is pinch small.
With cut successful can go on to build mega-carrier.  Need to round up 1/700 donor kits.
Also have to finish model room redo.

see attached ---
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 15, 2019, 08:21:40 PM
This is so cool Bill. Megashark is doomed now!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kitnut617 on February 15, 2019, 10:33:59 PM
Good call Bill   :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: tankmodeler on February 16, 2019, 12:57:06 AM
To be conventional powered with WW2 AA guns.  USN '46 is concept.  Getting these from WW2 USN 1/700 kits.  Preparing for prolonged war in the Pacific.
If you're going with WW2, the ceilings of the hangar decks were lower that modern carriers, so, having doubled the size of the deck, you really have about 3 times the height in available hangars. Having 3 hangar decks visible throught he hangar doors near the lifts woul dbe really cool.

She also sits very, very high. Notwithstanding that you've made the cuts, maybe lower the freeboard some more? Make the flight deck closer to the water?

Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 16, 2019, 05:09:58 AM
To be conventional powered with WW2 AA guns.  USN '46 is concept.  Getting these from WW2 USN 1/700 kits.  Preparing for prolonged war in the Pacific.
If you're going with WW2, the ceilings of the hangar decks were lower that modern carriers, so, having doubled the size of the deck, you really have about 3 times the height in available hangars. Having 3 hangar decks visible throught he hangar doors near the lifts woul dbe really cool.

She also sits very, very high. Notwithstanding that you've made the cuts, maybe lower the freeboard some more? Make the flight deck closer to the water?

Onboard with and appreciate your comments.  That is all comments.  Been thinking same topics.  Letting look of carrier after hull cut sink in (no pun intended) as what to do if anything.
Being in wonderful world of styrene imagineering and available 1/700 aircraft; air group can be expanded to include B-17, B-25, B-26, B-29, C-47.  Of course naval folding wing versions as determined case by case.  Catapults now larger in all dimensions to handle larger aircraft.  Higher hanger deck can clear higher tails.

>>  Hanger openings are 7/8 high.  Raise hanger floor to put openning in 3/4 - 5/8 range.  B-29 tail height is .48".  Raising floor a bit increases meganess impression of opening.  Kit does include hanger deck floor.
>>  With floor raised can trim hull bottom equal amount or so....  Otta build 1/700 Essex class to compare for judging freeboard change.

Is stuff to figure out.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 16, 2019, 06:25:36 AM
This is so cool Bill. Megashark is doomed now!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Joking aside, that's looking fantastic! I always feel like I hit the lottery whenever I get the cuts right and this one was championship caliber!

I especially like how the water-line model is posed next to it. Not being a ship builder, I appreciate seeing the difference.

Looks like you're well under-way, Admiral Fins! May you have smooth sailing all the way!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 16, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
For those who follow the details:
"tankmodeler" steered me in this direction.  Proceeding with those hanger deck height and freeboard adjustments in mind.  Raised hanger deck up and reduced height of elevator opening from 51 ft to 36.5 ft.  Like the effect.
No sweat for B-29 27 ft 9 in tail to clear.  Even B-50 32 ft 8 in tail clears.  Ya know - gotta plan ahead when designing large expensive carriers.
Need to reduce stern opening accordingly.  Freeboard to flight deck is ~125 ft.  Figure given for fully laden Nimitz class is ~57 ft.
After close look at hull a .25 inch bottom cut is max feasible.  Which is 14.6 scale ft.  Be near proportional to Nimitz size scaling and all that jazz.

see attched ---
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 16, 2019, 11:18:50 PM
I've got to agree, I like the effect too, Admiral!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: arctic warrior on February 17, 2019, 06:07:56 PM
That's a Carrier!  8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 17, 2019, 08:03:43 PM
Thank you,,,  is paradigm shift from 1/72.
Another day at ship yard.  Removed that .25" from bottom of hull.  Is gone now.  Inspite of height loss, more look at it more realistic heavy mega-carrier is in appearance from different viewing angles.
Raising hanger deck and reducing freeboard were right moves suggested by "tankmodeler". 
Considering to or not to redo bow.  Stay with hurrican bow or change to nonhurricane with 40mm AA guns etc in front.  Exposed beams supporting front of flight deck.  Have be careful not to screw-up bow.  Needs to be studdied before deciding to do or not to do.

Attached combo before-after pictures of freeboard lowering cut ---
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Old Wombat on February 17, 2019, 09:41:44 PM
At that size keep the bow as is & just pop a twin/quad-40mm tub on either side of the leading edge of the flight deck & a couple out the front (with hatches back into the ship, of course) below deck level. She's way big enough to cope with that.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 17, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Looks better with that trim, Admiral!

Now that your mega-carrier sits lower, it's easier for me to imagine a busy flight deck with lots of air ops going on.

Thanks for the great updates! I'm enjoying the ride immensely!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: LemonJello on February 18, 2019, 12:08:09 AM
This project has me pondering something similar, maybe for the upcoming "Floaty" GB.  I've been looking at one of the 1/350 Littoral Combat Ships as the base for a 1/700 amphibious assault ship with a compliment of V-22s, CH-53s and AH-1Ws (no one makes F-35Bs or AH-1Zs in /700 yet).

Looking forward to this build progressing.  Looks cool so far.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: jcf on February 18, 2019, 01:35:22 AM
Bill, are going to go island-less like the USS United States (CVA-58)?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_United_States_(CVA-58)
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: elmayerle on February 18, 2019, 05:38:58 AM
This project has me pondering something similar, maybe for the upcoming "Floaty" GB.  I've been looking at one of the 1/350 Littoral Combat Ships as the base for a 1/700 amphibious assault ship with a compliment of V-22s, CH-53s and AH-1Ws (no one makes F-35Bs or AH-1Zs in /700 yet).

Looking forward to this build progressing.  Looks cool so far.
You might see if anyone makes 1/700 Harriers to add to the firepower.

Addendum:  I just checked, 1/700 Harriers are available from both Trumpeter and Orange Hobby.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 18, 2019, 06:48:51 AM
Alright,,, going to fiddle with placing 40mm tubs.  Avoid potential disaster of doing too much with bow.

Was a - take pause here goes moment.  Trim did work.  More realistic for placing with other flotilla ships.  Is "realistic" a realistic term for this ?

Littoral combat ship becomes amphibious assult is great concept.  You have plenty time to assess what model and parts to gather before GB start.

Done some island contemplation.  Going with conventional island.  Funnel size/capacity/footprint must approximate OOB cuz is already sized for boilers onboard.  Bridge portion(s) to be from 1/700 donor.

For that LCS conversion finding 1/700 Harriers on Ebay.  Must be elsewhere too.

BTW - Bottom of hull from first cut can be hull for waterline 1/72 gunboat.  Cut off stern where taper starts.  Attached pictures of it upside & downside with favorite gunboat.  Or maybe 1/700 ship.  Something for another thread....

Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 18, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
For those liking peek inside hull. 
>>  Stern opening filler in clamps drying and with clamps removed.  Brings up to same level as hanger deck which continues to stern.
>>  Kit includes decking for hanger.  Vertical bars inside hull are what hanger deck sits on.  Since raised hanger door threshold with plastic bar stock; am raising decking same amount by using same bars to raise support for deck.  Lucked out to have correct size plastic bar stock on hand.

This one part of build is simple.  See attached ---
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: bluedonkey99 on February 18, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
Bill, are going to go island-less like the USS United States (CVA-58)?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_United_States_(CVA-58)

with a deck of this size, there is a strong case for following the HMS Queen Elizabeth and having one or two satellite flight control/deck control towers?
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 19, 2019, 09:21:44 AM
To me, Serious Clampage© is always the sign of an amazing build!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2019, 09:59:44 AM
This project has me pondering something similar, maybe for the upcoming "Floaty" GB.  I've been looking at one of the 1/350 Littoral Combat Ships as the base for a 1/700 amphibious assault ship with a compliment of V-22s, CH-53s and AH-1Ws (no one makes F-35Bs or AH-1Zs in /700 yet).

Looking forward to this build progressing.  Looks cool so far.
You might see if anyone makes 1/700 Harriers to add to the firepower.

Addendum:  I just checked, 1/700 Harriers are available from both Trumpeter and Orange Hobby.

This is a great idea! I immediately thought of the tri hull version of the LCS. Hmmmm, much to ponder....
Iím looking forward to seeing your ideas.

The adjustments youíve made look great. The stern in particular looks much better. Before it looked like it was riding too high in the water. Much better now. Will you be changing the shape of the hanger openings back to four rounded corners? Either way will look cool.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 19, 2019, 10:48:15 AM
This project has me pondering something similar, maybe for the upcoming "Floaty" GB.  I've been looking at one of the 1/350 Littoral Combat Ships as the base for a 1/700 amphibious assault ship with a compliment of V-22s, CH-53s and AH-1Ws (no one makes F-35Bs or AH-1Zs in /700 yet).

Looking forward to this build progressing.  Looks cool so far.
You might see if anyone makes 1/700 Harriers to add to the firepower.

Addendum:  I just checked, 1/700 Harriers are available from both Trumpeter and Orange Hobby.

This is a great idea! I immediately thought of the tri hull version of the LCS. Hmmmm, much to ponder....
Iím looking forward to seeing your ideas.

Me too,,, looking forward to seeing your ideas.
Thread for scaling ships to 1/700 would be great.   Like to share concepts, lessons learned and such there.  How about it ?
Find this 1/700 scaleoramaing most interesting.  Are vintage 1/5xx box scale carriers I could have started with which is arguably wiser move.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
From Hobbylink Japan there is a set of JMSDF aircraft in 1/700th including F-35A and B made by Pit Road.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 19, 2019, 01:21:09 PM
Pit Road --- is where this B-17 is from.
Could not resist painting late WW2 dark blue and placing on deck for scale perception.  Landing gear and props later. 
First picture taken from rear, second from front.  In launch position on catapult.
Obviously no sweat fitting on elevators.

see attached ---


Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Old Wombat on February 19, 2019, 01:24:25 PM
I knew she was big but, Ye Gods, it's HUGE! :o
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 20, 2019, 05:13:45 AM
I think the shots with the B-17 are my favorite so far!

I like the idea of being able to fit an entire bomb wing on the deck. You can never have too many Flying Fortresses.

Great stuff, Admiral!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Robomog on February 20, 2019, 09:34:08 PM
I knew she was big but, Ye Gods, it's HUGE! :o

Agree, it wasn't until you put the B-17 on the deck did I realise how big this carrier is,  it's mahoosive!

Looking forward to seeing the finished article.

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Antonio Sobral on February 20, 2019, 11:21:25 PM
That's not a ship, that's a small continent :)

Great build. Keep us informed on the evolution!

Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: tankmodeler on February 21, 2019, 01:32:38 AM
Obviously no sweat fitting on elevators.
You could bring them up two, maybe three at a time.

And a squadron of F6Fs to protect them on another elevator.

Sinking it with even heavy WW2 bombs or torpedoes would be like plinking at it with BBs.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 21, 2019, 11:06:41 AM
Thanks all.  Does make for a mahoosive/continent like subject.  Now that two hull cuts are done am encountering scale change details to deal with.
Largest most complex kit ever for me.
Did slow detailed look at instructions and 35 sprues with 1300+ parts.  Can subtract 16 sprues of 1/350 aircraft from that.
Figuring how to resize much of 1/350 to be 1/700.  Obviously be using 1/700 kits as donors.  Particularly guns and aircraft.
Lot of modern equipment parts are not used - CIWS, life raft containers, multi-multi-multi antennas, jet blast deflectors....
Surprised that WW2 1/700 USS Saratoga funnel size matches OOB funnel for apparent exhaust capacity.  Complete with 1/700 doors, ladders, life rafts....
Likely use Essex class bridge.  Fits WW2.  Keep radar antenna at as late WW2 as can.
Will try sanding down deck edge catwalk railing by 1/2 to be 1/700 size.

For a builder who is cracker jack at details the hanger deck is prime place to be build of its own.  Equipment on walls and deck and the aircraft would make primo diorama.  Devise so flight deck is removable would be cool.  Not for me to do but had to mention possibility.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on February 21, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
I surely hope you don't burn out on this baby! It's just too awesome! I'm afraid all I can give you is encouragement but I'll do all I can.
Perhaps just concentrate on the ship for now and you can work on the aircraft a little at a time. Sort of a project that's never really done and you just keep adding to it.
Do you need parts? Maybe you could trade some left over modern stuff for WW2 from someone else? Wish I could help on that end but I don't do many ships.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 22, 2019, 06:27:21 AM
Thanks Kerick.  Plodding ahead as fit build in with life activities.

Hanger deck glued in.  Is midway between top and bottom of shortened height hull.  Holds hull firmly together.  No need for bottom plate to replace cut off hull bottom.  Yes !

Skywave 1/700 Elco PT boat kit arrived.  To be captain's gig minus torpedo tubes.  Retain guns.  Kit includes bit smaller Vosper MTB.  Good as rescue boat for downed aircraft.  Minus tubes, retain guns.
Interesting kit feature is "S" Boat, Vosper, PT Boats are cast in at rest hull and at speed up planing hull waterline hulls.  Well thought out for diorama use.  Stowed on carrier exposed hull requires underside putty work.  Or be set in cradle that hides lower hull.  Micro tweezer build skills needed to outfit the decks.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 23, 2019, 05:00:57 AM
I like all the boats you're adding, Admiral!

I can imagine them with little splashes of color from the life savers, etc.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on February 24, 2019, 03:37:53 AM
Working on stern with its cove where jet engines are run etc.  No jet engines now.  Has posts for mooring lines.  Fiddling with AA gun placements.  Maybe life boat.  Still can fill in to be solid and hang 40mm gun bins off stern. 
After back-n-forth with bridge and funnel parts leaning to kitbash together Essex bridge and shortened height Saratoga funnel.
Studdied various carrier pictures.  Tweaked hanger door inserts for Forrestal class appearance.  Much like but bit different than CV-67.  As if a super prototype for coming Forrestal class.
Finding smallness of 1/700 challenging to work with.
Pictures when something to show.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 24, 2019, 08:47:33 AM
You've gotta park a Peacemaker on that deck, you know you wanna.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 03, 2019, 01:48:47 AM
Lots of options here including a 1/700 B-36:  http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=52&osCsid=s8f5m6jj1uienec2eo35k45oo5 (http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=52&osCsid=s8f5m6jj1uienec2eo35k45oo5)
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kitnut617 on March 03, 2019, 03:43:06 AM
You've gotta park a Peacemaker on that deck, you know you wanna.

Brian da Basher

Looking at Greg's link in the above post, it says the 1/700 model is 3 7/8" wing span, but it's closer to 3 15/16". Will you have enough room on the deck Bill ?
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 03, 2019, 03:44:22 AM
Maybe do a folded wing version... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on March 03, 2019, 05:36:10 AM
Thanks for B-36 info.  I like it.
In this case have to go non-folding.  Land, rearm, refuel, catapult (700 ft) takeoff. 
Doing phase 2 of major model room clean up and reorganizing.  Mega-carrier build on pause.  Back at it soon.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Frank3k on March 04, 2019, 03:44:43 AM
Lots of options here including a 1/700 B-36:  [url]http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=52&osCsid=s8f5m6jj1uienec2eo35k45oo5[/url] ([url]http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=52&osCsid=s8f5m6jj1uienec2eo35k45oo5[/url])


IIRC, Tom's Modelworks has their models printed by Shapeways.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on March 14, 2019, 01:16:55 PM
Like that B-36.  Have to get at least one.  Check out how it fits on flight deck.
Took break from building to redo model room.  Better organized, better lighting, better access to building table.  Now back to Mega-carrier.
This is interesting.  Mixing Essex, Lexington, Saratoga bridge and funnel parts.  Building as separated assemblies.
Basically put aft of funnel section of Essex bridge on top of front section with Lex/Sara transition deck.  Now tall enough bridge guys can see around.
Getting my styrene sea legs.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on March 15, 2019, 05:02:13 AM
Glad to hear construction is proceeding apace, Admiral!

I really like that transition deck idea and I can just about visualize it. Things like that really make ship builds for me.

Looks like you're full-steam ahead!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on April 24, 2019, 01:10:31 AM
How's this build going?
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on April 24, 2019, 04:18:46 AM
After my back went bad and wife's broken leg issues interrupting construction am back at it.
Each side near stern has platform that carry a (SkyWave) ELCO PT Boat.  Boats painted and nearly done.  Takes tweezers to fit parts.
Locations for 5" dual mounts are in place.  Started on quad 40mm locations.

Instructions slip-up.  Step 13 flight deck is glued down.  Steps 15 & 16 flight deck is not on hull.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on April 24, 2019, 08:13:25 AM
I hope everyone is healing properly! Must be somewhat better to allow a little model building. Good to see this one back on the front burner.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on April 25, 2019, 06:06:12 AM
Glad to hear construction is once again continuing!

Have you considered adding fins, fins?
 ;D ;D ;D
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on April 25, 2019, 06:35:40 AM
Could put '59 Cadillac fins horizontal on each side of aft most portion of flight deck.  Tail lights help pilots line up for night landings.  Jon sold me a 1/32 1959 Cadillac kit !
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on April 25, 2019, 06:54:01 AM
Could put extra 5Ē guns out on those fins!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on April 25, 2019, 07:50:00 AM
Could put '59 Cadillac fins horizontal on each side of aft most portion of flight deck.  Tail lights help pilots line up for night landings.  Jon sold me a 1/32 1959 Cadillac kit !

Brillaint! Go for the fins, fins!
 8)
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on April 25, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
Cut both fins off car model.  Common car models are 1/24 or 1/25.  These fins at 1/32 are perfect size for mega-carrier.  Including them in build.

Thanks for practical and stylish idea Brian.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kerick on April 25, 2019, 11:54:21 AM
We really need pics of this!!!!! :o 8)
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on April 25, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
Appreciate your comments guys.  Sorry late at this, own Jon an answer.  Not building with no island like USS United States.
 
For those interested in details:   Has separate bridge and funnel assemblies to be placed near each other.  Using USS Lexington CV-2 funnel with mods.  Has more area for exhaust outlet than OOB funnel.  Is legit in that sense.  Added two 20mm and signal light positions and cabin to observe aft part of flight deck.  Bridge based on Essex bridge built higher with parts from other carriers and battleships.  Bridge & funnel be last to glue on then add masts.  Made platform for LSO with wind brake and ladder.  Positions for two Elco PT boats and four motor launches.  Narrowed arresting gear.  Kit has hundreds of deck edge and hull side parts.  Lot of time figuring which to use then glue on and modify some.  Worked deck edge parts with deck off hull.  Glued flight deck to hull today.  More deck edge parts and elevators to do. 

Next build will not have 1000+ parts to figure out.  Can take pictures.  Won't look too different than prior ones.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on April 26, 2019, 06:33:31 AM
Being an inveterate land-lubber, I had no idea about proposed CVA-58:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xv9kY7VB/Preliminary-design-model-of-USS-United-States-CVA-58-undergoin.jpg)

Talk about sleek!

USS US CVA-58 Wiki linky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_United_States_(CVA-58))

I can totally see it now. Sweeet!  :-*

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on April 26, 2019, 06:40:20 PM
Mega-carrier progress.   Our best pictures camera broke.   These are from prior camera, could be better.   Buy new one soon.
PT boats painted, nothing else is.   Black lines are 40mm positions.   Green lines are 5" turrets.   Airplane on deck is Avenger.
Main paint will be Krylon Pewter Gray, same color as plastic.  40mm and 5" turrets Krylon Classic Gray for contrast.   Same for 20mm if added.   Paint accents as determined.
Found cradles to hold PT boats, will be higher.   Found cranes too.   Some of catwalks don't have railings, will make them.   LSO platform indicated in last picture.
Lot left to do....

see attached
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Some Duck with an Ultimax on April 26, 2019, 10:07:28 PM
Do you have enough shelf space to keep this on when itís complete? Itís shaping up to be truly epic (in both old and new senses of the word)!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Frank3k on April 26, 2019, 10:59:15 PM
Wow - that's big! I think the bow and stern should have different zip codes.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 27, 2019, 03:04:11 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on April 27, 2019, 07:50:29 AM
Do you have enough shelf space to keep this on when itís complete? Itís shaping up to be truly epic (in both old and new senses of the word)!

Trust me, he's got yards of "shelf space".  ;)

It's great to see those progress pics, fins!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on April 27, 2019, 08:58:18 AM
Do you have enough shelf space to keep this on when itís complete? Itís shaping up to be truly epic (in both old and new senses of the word)!

Trust me, he's got yards of "shelf space".  ;)

It's great to see those progress pics, fins!

Brian da Basher

Yes & No --- Not in the house.  Do have room in backyard building.
Does show progress and configuration.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on May 07, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
Update --- Port & starboard under flight deck sponsons on.  Elevators in, even more deck space.  Deck & hull side gun positions in (less guns which will go on after painting).
4 x 5" twin,  18 x quad 40mm,  14 x 20mm.  Bit more AA on/near island TBD.  Starboard Alco boat position done.  Port boat deck enlarged to hold Alco boat and a motor launch.  Need to finish that.  Plus are three single motor launch positions.  Now fussing with catwalks, railings, ladders.  Getting more WW2 mega-carrier character.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on May 08, 2019, 04:51:24 AM
Oh to be a fly on the wall of that shipyard!

It's great to get an update and I can almost see it in my mind's eye.

If I was nearby, I'd stop over with a bottle of the bubbly for the christening.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on May 11, 2019, 08:57:57 AM
Nice weather, sprayed first coat of paint.  Exposed things that need to tidy up.  Outdoor plant stuff lands on wet paint flight deck.
Added ladders.  Scratch built 1/4 of railings.  Followed 5" and 40mm with a few 20mm positions.  Added search light position port and starboard.
Conversion of super carrier to retro WW2 Mega Carrier really ties up a shipyard.
More to do.

see attached
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Frank3k on May 11, 2019, 10:23:35 AM
That's not a ship - that's a moving island!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on May 11, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
Is like an island.  Far as 1/700 ships go, took on building hardest one first.  OOB and kit bash escorts be pleasantly simpler.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on May 11, 2019, 09:09:48 PM
It looks great with the paint on and I can really see it coming together!

If you're not in the home-stretch yet, you're getting close.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on May 15, 2019, 12:25:36 PM
Mega Carrier will not be finished for end of GB.  Need to smooth out ruff spots.  Need to add color to flight deck and various accents.

Oh,,, need to paint aircraft !
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: ericr on May 15, 2019, 03:34:39 PM

this is terribly enormous !  ;D
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on May 16, 2019, 05:28:26 AM
Ah well perhaps it will end out even better now that you're not constrained by a deadline!

Please let me know if you want me to move this to the appropriate Physical Models section and I'll be glad to do so.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kitnut617 on May 16, 2019, 06:33:04 AM
Don't rush it Bill, it's too good for that. Take your time with it ---
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on May 16, 2019, 07:23:12 AM
Thanks guys.  Staying with it. 
Getting worst of blemishes off hull.  Had to remove modify replace elevator lift gear which caused messy spots.  Cleaning to point where its "good" not magazine picture "perfect".  Flight deck to be different color than hull.  Is my first 1/700 build.  Took on big complex one.  Others bound to be simpler.  Want to finish then move on to more 1/72 & 1/700 result builds.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on June 03, 2019, 05:03:55 AM
For flight deck paint experimenting on under side of hanger deck with Model Master acrylic US Navy blue-gray.  Slightly thinned and straight.  Different brushes and brush motions.  Results not even enough. 

Perhaps is rattle can solution.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on June 03, 2019, 08:00:37 AM
That's tough about the paint. I'm surprised since Model Masters acrylic is one of the few brands I get consistent results from. Even the oft-lauded Model Color line supposedly made just for brush-painting gave me headaches.

Maybe the paint job can be salvaged by applying a wash to even things out?

Best of luck and thanks for the update.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Gingie on June 07, 2019, 06:19:48 AM
That's going to have its own gravitational pull! Better keep the smaller ships away, or they'll be sucked in alongsides!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on June 07, 2019, 07:47:24 AM
Am painting flight deck with Krylon Satin Rolling Surf.  Partly done.

Not quite right but not way wrong for flight deck.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Krylon-FUSION-ALL-IN-ONE-Satin-Rolling-Surf-Spray-Paint-and-Primer-In-One-Actual-Net-Contents-12-oz/1000460193 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Krylon-FUSION-ALL-IN-ONE-Satin-Rolling-Surf-Spray-Paint-and-Primer-In-One-Actual-Net-Contents-12-oz/1000460193)

Thatz a valid point about gravitational field.  Must notify nearby boats and ships.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 08, 2019, 03:12:42 AM
That's going to have its own gravitational pull! Better keep the smaller ships away, or they'll be sucked in alongsides!

 ;D
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on July 03, 2019, 03:12:32 PM
Some progress:  After several back-n-forth sanding-filling-painting steps, far port catapult lines gone and flight deck painted.  With masking removed must say it works - for me anyway.

Next is clear up minor over-under sprays and Exacto knife around elevators for good definition.
Then probably fine brush paint catwalks another color to contrast with flight deck and gray sides.  Navy blue-gray comes to mind.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 04, 2019, 02:54:17 AM
It's great to hear you're back at work on the mega-carrier and I think the choice of Navy blue-gray is an excellent one!

Many thanks for the update.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on September 25, 2019, 09:38:41 AM
Got back to Mega-carrier build.  Doing flight deck before mounting guns.  Am halfwayish done on flight deck.  Pictures show colors brighter/lighter/thinner than just looking at it.  Deck is darker than in pictures.  Focus could be better.  Will try different camera techniques next time.  Island is un finished and un painted sitting there for basic look.  Is three parts and funnel happens to be turned backwards.  Two small planes are Corsairs.
Plenty table clutter chaos goes with build.

see attached pictures
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on September 26, 2019, 07:26:22 AM
Wow that looks like a million bucks!

Glad to see the mega-carrier is having smooth sailing!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 26, 2019, 09:43:44 AM
Given the size of the ship I wonder if the catapults are too long.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Frank3k on September 26, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
Given the size of the ship I wonder if the catapults are too long.

Maybe they don't need to provide as much acceleration?

It looks great, so far!
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: elmayerle on September 26, 2019, 12:58:48 PM
Given the size of the ship I wonder if the catapults are too long.
Mayhaps they are launching Republic designed fighters?  They have a reputation for building heavy aircraft that need lots of runway on land.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on September 26, 2019, 01:26:44 PM
Thanks guys.  Is rewarding to have carrier take on color.  No more all gray look.  Next to do is safety lines around elevators.

Bow catapults are 583 ft.  Port catapult is 700 ft.  Acceleration rate is less than on current carriers.  Best for bombers and C-47 originally not designed for catapult launches.  Plus they require less air speed to fly than modern jets and add in wind over deck air speed the catapult launch stress on air frames is within tolerances.  That'z what I been lead to understand.  Though loaded B-29s must use port catapult.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Old Wombat on September 26, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
B-29s taking off from an aircraft carrier is an impressive mental image in its own right! 8)

I probably would have gone with a darker blue but she's looking pretty awe inspiring, none-the-less! :smiley:
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on October 20, 2019, 05:25:14 PM
Built B-29 to see if can get to sit on nose wheel.   Part of nail in front half of fuselage, moved main gear rearward 1+mm, it worked.   OOB landing gear is impossible micro to work with so used .75mm rod.
Props, paint, decals still to do.

see attached
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on October 20, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
It's great to see an update on this fantastic project!

That Superfort looks magnificent on the deck!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Camthalion on October 21, 2019, 05:25:52 AM
Looking good
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on October 27, 2019, 05:01:05 PM
WIP pictures.

Taking picture exposes things to address.   Railings need more paint, changing 20mm gun trays to three each and add contrast.   And misc....

Both island parts have basic gray that matches hull painted.   See approximant quick picture taking placement on deck for more impression of carrier look.

see attached
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on October 28, 2019, 03:48:19 AM
Wow that looks like a million bucks!

The markings are excellent, especially the warning areas which to me are just superb and really give it that extra bit of panache`!

I like the DC-3 parked there for a bit of COD.

It's super to see an update from your shipyard on this Sunday!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on November 02, 2019, 02:46:44 PM
Working on nitty details of decks & railings.  Numerous oopses to correct.

Attached picture of OOB 1/700 Essex deck for size comparison.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on November 02, 2019, 07:36:11 PM
Simply amazing and looks better with each new bit of progress!

The comparison is especially fun.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: kitnut617 on November 02, 2019, 10:03:10 PM
The comparison is especially fun.

Yes, definitely puts into perspective doesn't it --- very nicely done Bill  :smiley:
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 03, 2019, 03:17:06 AM
I'm thinking construction of such a beast would have to be done in a special way given no dry dock (or harbour for that matter) could handle such a beast.  How big do you estimate this beast would have been in the real world?

For comparison, the longest ship ever constructed was the Knock Nevis supertanker which 458m long with a displacement of 646,642 long tons full load.

(http://www.aukevisser.nl/supertankers/12c884040.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Building_and_ship_comparison_to_the_Pentagon2.svg/1200px-Building_and_ship_comparison_to_the_Pentagon2.svg.png)

In the above diagram, we have:
   
- The Pentagon, 431m (Light blue)
- RMS Queen Mary 2, 345m (Pink)
- US Navy's nuclear-powered USS Enterprise, 342m (Yellow)
- Airship LZ 129 Hindenburg, 245m (Green)
- Imperial Japanese Navy's Yamato, 263m (Dark blue)
- Empire State Building, 443m (Grey)
- Apple Park main building, 464m and 354m diameters (Green)
- Knock Nevis supertanker, 458m (Red)

This ship has an interesting history going through various names and owners in its 30yr life.  Perhaps most interesting is the fact that it was damaged and sunk in 1988 by an Iraqi Air Force attack while anchored off Larak Island, Iran. The ship was struck by parachute bombs. Fires ignited aboard the ship and blazed out of control and it sank in the shallow waters off the coast.  It was declared a total loss and was written off.  Later on though it was salvaged and repaired and re-entered service in 1991.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on November 03, 2019, 03:40:43 AM
Crunching numbers says 2104 feet.  Does require a supersized dry dock.  Look forward to finishing....  Are aircraft to also do....

Like to build other ships as mega sized to 1/700.

Appreciate the size profiles.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 03, 2019, 04:11:50 AM
So a bit over 641m and thus about 40% larger than the Knock Nevis.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Old Wombat on November 03, 2019, 09:36:01 PM
We-ell, it is a MEGA-CARRIER! ;D
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 04, 2019, 01:43:02 AM
We-ell, it is a MEGA-CARRIER! ;D

Not denying that.  Am just giving it some context.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Frank3k on November 04, 2019, 02:38:27 AM
I love how tiny the B-29 looks on the forward catapult.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on November 04, 2019, 02:57:15 PM
With all the OOB and kit-bash pieces fiddle fitted together am smoothing out the most obvious finish issues.  Lotta stuff to tend to joint and paint wise.  Not trying for perfection, just good enough.

Thanks for bearing with slow pace of progress to photograph.  Most complicated model build ever.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: finsrin on December 09, 2019, 05:24:57 PM
Mega-Carrier not abandoned.  Air group build is ongoing.  1/1 car projects and being in resistance against Agenda 21 transit Marxist-Nazis takes up time.

Tried B-29 wing fold at alerion mid point.   Though fits elevator scrapped that.   Fold at inboard edge of alerion is aesthetically and hanger deck room way to go.

Came down learning curve for inserting nail weight in forward fuselage.   No problem.   Still have to move main gear reward to sit on nose gear.   Kinda hassle.

Just realized otta file turrets off one or two B-29 as designated A-bombers.   As on Enola Gay and Bockscar for weight & drag reduction.

Also have normal B-29s for conventional missions.

Liking look of multi B-17, B-25, B-29, C-47 on deck.   Do the single engines last.

A disappointment of 1/700 carrier kits is they do not include props for aircraft.
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 10, 2019, 04:54:52 AM
Glad to hear all is proceeding apace with the mega-carrier.

I can imagine what those planes look like on the deck and I'm liking it.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Mega-carrier
Post by: KiwiZac on December 12, 2019, 06:30:31 AM
I confess Iíve not visited the Sea forum since (maybe?) posting the beginnings of my HMS Sheffield and Lusitania projects perhaps four years ago so this one totally slipped under my radar...unlike this vessel were it in real life!

Dear lord, Bill, this thing is a monster! Iím speechless! What an impressive concept and I love the systematic way youíre approaching it.

I donít do carriers, but Iím following this one. Wow. It doesnít need a hull number, it needs a seat on the United Nations!