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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Scenarios => : Weaver April 02, 2016, 06:03:57 PM

: A more French Canada
: Weaver April 02, 2016, 06:03:57 PM
What if the French aircraft industry had set up a licence manufacturing plant in Quebec in the 1930s, in a similar manner to the way various British companies set up Canadian subsidiaries? The plant makes a sterling contribution to the allied war effort and becomes a source of great pride to both Quebec and France, which makes it politically difficult to run down in the post-war contraction. The result is several French types being licence built in Canada for both domestic and export use.

(Note that I have no clue about Canadian internal politics, so you'll have to re-write those bits yourselves..)

Some possibilities:

The Super Mystere is bought for the RCAF in the late 1950s in place of later Canadair Sabre batches, due to it being faster. It's basically the Canadian equivalent of the F-100. They might have Orenda or Avon engines.

The Mirage IIIE is bought for the RCAF instead of the Starfighter and/or the F-5A. Again, it could have Orenda or Avon engine options.

The Alpha Jet is bought for the RCAF to replace the CL-41 Tutor.

The Jaguar or Mirage F1A (attack avionics) is bought for the RCAF instead of the F-5A.

The Mirage 2000 is bought for the RCAF instead of the F/A-18.

Canadian/Australian interest gets the Mirage 4000 into production.

The Puma/Super Puma is bought for the RCAF/RCN instead of some or all of the Hueys/Griffons/Sea Kings.

The Gazelle is bought for the RCAF instead of some or all of the Kiowas.
: Re: A more French Canada
: GTX_Admin April 03, 2016, 04:10:19 AM
If you want to go the Dassault route post war, maybe have Société des Avions Marcel Bloch seup in the '30s (perhaps as a precaution against the coming war).  This could then see platforms such as the following developed in Canadian use during the war:

Bloch MB.150 series:  As fighters

(http://www.model-making.eu/zdjecia/2/0/5/8217_rd.jpg)

Imagine some re-engined versions...

Bloch MB.170 series:  As general purpose attack aircraft/recon etc

(http://pducos61.free.fr/Maquettes/a_box_art/BLOCH_174.JPG)

Bloch MB.162:  As heavy bomber/maritime patrol

(http://america.pink/images/6/9/0/8/4/9/en/2-bloch-162.jpg)
: Re: A more French Canada
: dogsbody April 03, 2016, 09:13:34 AM
If you want to go the Dassault route post war, maybe have Société des Avions Marcel Bloch seup in the '30s (perhaps as a precaution against the coming war).  This could then see platforms such as the following developed in Canadian use during the war:

Bloch MB.150 series:  As fighters

([url]http://www.model-making.eu/zdjecia/2/0/5/8217_rd.jpg[/url])

Imagine some re-engined versions...

Bloch MB.170 series:  As general purpose attack aircraft/recon etc

([url]http://pducos61.free.fr/Maquettes/a_box_art/BLOCH_174.JPG[/url])

Bloch MB.162:  As heavy bomber/maritime patrol

([url]http://america.pink/images/6/9/0/8/4/9/en/2-bloch-162.jpg[/url])


Would these be fitted with French engines or American/Canadian engines of more power, like P&W R-1830s or Wright R-1820s?


Chris
: Re: A more French Canada
: GTX_Admin April 03, 2016, 10:15:19 AM
Could go either way.   I would expect to see greater use of U.S. engines if only for logistics ease.
: Re: A more French Canada
: apophenia June 13, 2016, 09:24:50 AM
I liked the idea of an Arsenal VG-33 built in Canada. Seems sensible to make use of all that aircraft-quality timber.

I called my Canadian-made VG-33s the AAC Arrow, Ares, and Achilles:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg45350#msg45350 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg45350#msg45350)

BTW, in the RW, a Canadian firm held rights to the Brequet lineup ... Canadian Car and Foundry, IIRC.

Okay, I did not RC  :P  The Brequet license was bought by Robert Magor of National Steel Car Corporation.